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Post by madmarx on Nov 27, 2019 10:44:15 GMT -5
I’m hearing Charlie Coyle and Chris Wagner are very close to resigning with the bruins. Maybe 6 year extension for Coyle and 3 year extension for Wagner. But if none of this happens don’t chirp me ...Ryan Whitney
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Post by SeaBass on Nov 27, 2019 10:54:03 GMT -5
I’m hearing Charlie Coyle and Chris Wagner are very close to resigning with the bruins. Maybe 6 year extension for Coyle and 3 year extension for Wagner. But if none of this happens don’t chirp me ...Ryan Whitney I just read that myself. If so hope it is for cheap!
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Post by KSJ08 on Nov 27, 2019 11:25:22 GMT -5
I’m hearing Charlie Coyle and Chris Wagner are very close to resigning with the bruins. Maybe 6 year extension for Coyle and 3 year extension for Wagner. But if none of this happens don’t chirp me ...Ryan Whitney 6 years, too long IMHO
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Post by madmarx on Nov 27, 2019 11:29:57 GMT -5
I’m hearing Charlie Coyle and Chris Wagner are very close to resigning with the bruins. Maybe 6 year extension for Coyle and 3 year extension for Wagner. But if none of this happens don’t chirp me ...Ryan Whitney 6 years, too long IMHO I don’t mind term if it means we get him cheaper, I think it’s one or the other..
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Post by DonnyBrook on Nov 27, 2019 13:48:20 GMT -5
our soph!!!
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Post by KSJ08 on Nov 27, 2019 13:50:11 GMT -5
Jackie said "Soph you're in Toronto" Is this old??
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Post by DonnyBrook on Nov 27, 2019 14:00:41 GMT -5
Jackie said "Soph you're in Toronto" Is this old?? yes..this podcast started last year. i have watched this b/c i follow jackie and i didnt even realize til this morning that our sophia was the soph with jackie. i read some tweets this morning and was like OH..
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Post by DonnyBrook on Nov 27, 2019 14:07:21 GMT -5
^ one thing i remember about listening to this podcast is they were talking about working out..and jackie said she was jealous of soph b/c she has abs. thats hot.
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Post by orym on Nov 27, 2019 16:13:49 GMT -5
I don’t mind term if it means we get him cheaper, I think it’s one or the other.. If it's 6 years for 5 million per I'd be very concerned. 6 years closer to 4 million per is a little more palatable.
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Post by KSJ08 on Nov 27, 2019 16:31:38 GMT -5
I don’t mind term if it means we get him cheaper, I think it’s one or the other.. If it's 6 years for 5 million per I'd be very concerned. 6 years closer to 4 million per is a little more palatable. I still say for his caliber type player at what 27 now that's way too long to tie up a player. 4 yrs Max is what I would say is exceptable. Again JMHO.
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Post by madmarx on Nov 27, 2019 16:53:54 GMT -5
The Boston #Bruins have announced that they have signed forwards Charlie Coyle and Chris Wagner to contract extensions:
Coyle: $5.25M AAV x 6 years
Wagner: $1.35M x 3 years
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Post by madmarx on Nov 27, 2019 16:57:59 GMT -5
I don’t mind term if it means we get him cheaper, I think it’s one or the other.. If it's 6 years for 5 million per I'd be very concerned. 6 years closer to 4 million per is a little more palatable. 5.25 is the number reported , remembering the Cap should increase over his term I think Sweeney did Ok
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Post by SeaBass on Nov 27, 2019 17:02:06 GMT -5
I am ok with Wags. Don’t love Coyles. Hopefully he doesn’t slack off now that he got paid.
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Post by orym on Nov 27, 2019 17:21:41 GMT -5
If it's 6 years for 5 million per I'd be very concerned. 6 years closer to 4 million per is a little more palatable. 5.25 is the number reported , remembering the Cap should increase over his term I think Sweeney did Ok Yeah it is not a total disaster. Time will tell. I think it's more than I am comfortable with but he could very well earn it and be a good player for us for a long time.
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Post by madmarx on Nov 27, 2019 17:25:40 GMT -5
If we can move Backes or something I think they get Krug done otherwise we’re in a pickle..
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Post by SeaBass on Nov 27, 2019 18:31:36 GMT -5
If we can move Backes or something I think they get Krug done otherwise we’re in a pickle.. Kind of hoping he retires.
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Post by madmarx on Nov 27, 2019 18:53:16 GMT -5
If we can move Backes or something I think they get Krug done otherwise we’re in a pickle.. Kind of hoping he retires. For his own sake
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Post by DonnyBrook on Nov 27, 2019 19:27:00 GMT -5
coyle is perfect...he loves playing here..even the michael felger show was on this and said he would be worth it..
he puts up half point a game but he dominates puck possession..i love any kid that wants to be a bruin..
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Post by kjc2 on Nov 27, 2019 22:15:58 GMT -5
Better Coyle at 6 x 5.25 than Kevin Hayes at 7 x 7.1 million.
Coyle is a very gifted skater, I don’t think he slows down much like a Backes.
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Post by madmarx on Dec 2, 2019 11:18:54 GMT -5
According to LeBrun the Bruins are one of the teams to enquire about Hall 👀
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Post by SeaBass on Dec 2, 2019 11:21:26 GMT -5
According to LeBrun the Bruins are one of the teams to enquire about Hall 👀 I am sure they have. Wonder what outrageous price the Devils are asking for. I bet DeBrusk is on their list.
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Post by SeaBass on Dec 2, 2019 11:39:02 GMT -5
This was always going to be a Taylor Hall year, no matter what happened with his future.
He is the headline unrestricted free agent.
It was Artemi Panarin and Sergei Bobrovsky last season, John Tavares the year before that and Steven Stamkos in 2016. Only the latter ended up staying put at the 11th hour.
But the buzz and drama that surrounded those players were constant. They hung over the Blue Jackets despite their best efforts to deal with them straight on last season.
So far, Hall and the New Jersey Devils have done a good job of minimizing his contract situation as a “story,” especially when last summer hit and Hall didn’t immediately sign an extension when he could have. Both sides were able to minimize whatever that meant.
There’s been constant and clear communication among GM Ray Shero, agent Darren Ferris and the 28-year-old winger. Everyone knows what’s going on. In fact, by all accounts, Shero and Hall, for the past four and a half years, have had an outstanding relationship based on transparency and honesty.
But a decision must come. And things are now entering a new phase. It’s December. The Devils aren’t likely to make the playoffs.
And Ferris normally advises his clients in that position to wait until after the season before making any decisions.
All of which points to a probable trade at some point before Feb. 24.
As I reported Sunday morning, according to sources around the league, the Devils have begun to listen to trade offers for Hall, which they must do regardless of how it all ends up.
They have to protect themselves in the event they can’t re-sign him.
For the record, Shero, when we spoke this weekend, would not confirm trade talks have begun, maintaining what he’s been saying since training camp: When there’s news on Hall’s future, he will speak on that subject.
But there are two things he was willing to address.
The first was to quell a rumor that had begun last summer: that Hall had asked for a trade.
“He has never asked for a trade,” Shero said.
Secondly, Shero stressed how Hall remains “all-in” on the Devils.
“He hasn’t checked out. He cares. He really does,” Shero said.
But it hasn’t been a banner year for the 2017-18 Hart Trophy winner. He has only four goals in 24 games, although he does have 17 assists. Hall would only be human if some of that was weighing on him.
There is one angle to all of it that, as far as I can tell, nobody has brought up yet. From the get-go, the story has been about whether Hall would want to stay in New Jersey.
But what about the other relevant question? Does it truly make sense for the Devils to sign Hall to an eight-year contract worth anywhere from $10-11 million a year? That’s probably the kind of contract Ferris would ask for if things ever got there. And I mean, why not, if you’re Ferris?
With the Devils potentially headed for another lottery draft pick, with Jack Hughes and Nico Hischier already in place to build around, is it truly the most prudent decision to lock up Hall until he’s 36 at that kind of money?
If they were one player away from winning the Cup, maybe. But I would have to imagine that unless there’s a dramatic turnaround and a run to the playoffs — hey, it’s possible — it’s about resetting around another high pick (or two) and Hughes, Hischier and company.
My personal take is that unless Hall informed the Devils he’d be willing to sign a five-year deal, it doesn’t make any sense for New Jersey to sign him anyway.
I think Shero has a good chance to do well in a Hall trade. Offense is in demand. The Devils, unquestionably, will be willing to eat some of Hall’s $6 million salary in order to facilitate a deal with cap-challenged contenders and maximize asset return.
“If Ray Shero decides to put him up for auction, the return would be massive,” one Eastern Conference team executive said Sunday.
I think the Mark Stone trade at the deadline last season serves as a decent comparison. Once Vegas knew it could sign Stone to an extension, he became a more valuable return for Ottawa.
The Devils, no doubt, will protect themselves with a conditional part to any trade if Hall doesn’t sign right away as part of it.
Now, Stone-to-Vegas was a pretty unique situation in that he and Golden Knights GM Kelly McCrimmon go way back to junior hockey together, and it was widely assumed Stone would have had Vegas high on his list in free agency. That he could get that accomplished ahead of time was perfect for him.
Whether that team exists for Hall isn’t clear. It may very well be that Ferris advises him to go to market instead, just as Tavares, Panarin and Stamkos did (with Stamkos deciding to stay put after dipping his toes).
It’s still early in the process, and I think you’ll hear about a lot of different teams. Some will call out of curiosity, others will get more serious and some will drop out and return late, which is a lot of what was heard during the Stone derby a year ago.
Some intriguing possibilities just based on fit:
• Colorado: The Avalanche were the team most mentioned over the weekend, with ESPN’s Greg Wyshynski notably reporting he had heard New Jersey has scouted Colorado at all levels this season.
And this from our Avalanche writer Ryan Clark who reached out to me Sunday night:
“Usually, the New Jersey Devils are not one of the teams that have regularly sent a scout to Pepsi Center to observe the Colorado Avalanche. That is no longer the case. The Devils have had one of their scouts monitor both the Avalanche and their AHL affiliate, the Colorado Eagles, for the last few weeks.”
The Avs make all kinds of sense. They’ve got ample cap room, and they could make a serious run at the Stanley Cup. And adding one more offensive weapon would end any talk they’re a one-line team entering the playoffs, although the acquisition of Nazem Kadri during the summer already has helped end that talk. Still, Hall on a line with Nathan MacKinnon, with the possibility of Kadri and Mikko Rantanen and Gabriel Landeskog filling out the top six in one way or another — giddy-up, I’d say. The Avs have their first-round pick this year and next, so the pieces are there.
• Calgary: Is there hometown allure for Hall? The Flames have been inconsistent all season. They sit on the playoff bubble. How much are they willing to pay for a player they might lose July 1? Or does GM Brad Treliving only make that trade if, like Stone in Vegas, he can be assured he can sign Hall long-term? The Flames have all of their top picks for the next few years.
• Montreal: The Canadiens have lots of cap room and can especially leverage the field of bidders on Hall if they strike sooner rather than later, when the cap hit is less of factor. I’ve heard no concrete evidence they’re actually interested, by the way, but the combination of their cap room with the idea Hall might love to return to a passionate Canadian market has some people wondering. But like the Flames, the Habs are a bubble team thanks to their recent slide, and I don’t know if GM Marc Bergevin can justify a large price paid if Hall walks July 1.
• Edmonton: You’ve got to love the idea of the surprising, Pacific Division-leading Oilers bringing Hall back where his NHL career began. If I know GM Ken Holland like I think I do, I’d be shocked if he didn’t at least inquire at some point with Shero. But I also think Holland would be very much uncomfortable dealing away a first-round pick so early in his reshaping of the Oilers even though they have done what they have done so far. If there was a way to somehow satisfy the Devils’ needs otherwise, maybe Holland would bite. But a July 1 bid on him when he’s not giving up assets in return might be wiser.
• Boston: GM Don Sweeney’s trade-deadline acquisitions of Marcus Johansson and Charlie Coyle last season were quite impactful as the Bruins reached the Cup final. They have zero cap room this season, so making any trade of significance will be much harder. But with the Devils being willing, I believe, to eat part of Hall’s salary if they do trade him, I wonder how creative Sweeney can get if it means a chance at Hall, who would be quite the second-line luxury for the powerhouse Bruins but also make them less top-line reliant.
• San Jose: Really, I just don’t know that the Sharks can get into it. To start, Ottawa owns their first-round pick courtesy of the Erik Karlsson trade. I don’t know if a 2021 first-round pick would cut it, and does it make any sense for San Jose to trade away another one? But I can’t help but list the Sharks even as an outlier because GM Doug Wilson loves big-game hunting.
Hey, there will be other teams that, as time goes on, will make sense to bid on Hall. It’s just the beginning.
And let’s not completely rule out Hall re-signing in New Jersey, even if it feels like more of a remote possibility at this point.
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Post by SeaBass on Dec 2, 2019 13:03:39 GMT -5
I love minor league hockey teams and their crazy jersey nights.
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Post by KSJ08 on Dec 2, 2019 13:36:55 GMT -5
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Post by madmarx on Dec 2, 2019 16:51:21 GMT -5
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Post by orym on Dec 2, 2019 17:11:13 GMT -5
I think if you can somehow land Hall for this season you have to do it. The Stanley Cup window for our boys is wide open at the moment but we know it is going to slam shut soon for this group. If it is pick, player, prospect, I'd do it in a second for Hall. I really believe Hall would be an impact player for us.
I would expect we wouldn't be able to resign him but that's okay. I don't think we can build a team around these 10-11 million dollar contracts and he does seem to get hurt frequently so wouldn't want to tie up big dollars in him long term.
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Post by madmarx on Dec 2, 2019 17:41:46 GMT -5
I think if you can somehow land Hall for this season you have to do it. The Stanley Cup window for our boys is wide open at the moment but we know it is going to slam shut soon for this group. If it is pick, player, prospect, I'd do it in a second for Hall. I really believe Hall would be an impact player for us. I would expect we wouldn't be able to resign him but that's okay. I don't think we can build a team around these 10-11 million dollar contracts and he does seem to get hurt frequently so wouldn't want to tie up big dollars in him long term. Totally agree on the rental part , Jersey is gonna want a 1st Bjork etc ..Watching Lindgren play for the Rags still hurts .. You’re right about the window for this team it’s a tough situation..
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Post by KSJ08 on Dec 2, 2019 20:07:02 GMT -5
I think if you can somehow land Hall for this season you have to do it. The Stanley Cup window for our boys is wide open at the moment but we know it is going to slam shut soon for this group. If it is pick, player, prospect, I'd do it in a second for Hall. I really believe Hall would be an impact player for us. I would expect we wouldn't be able to resign him but that's okay. I don't think we can build a team around these 10-11 million dollar contracts and he does seem to get hurt frequently so wouldn't want to tie up big dollars in him long term. Totally agree on the rental part , Jersey is gonna want a 1st Bjork etc ..Watching Lindgren play for the Rags still hurts .. You’re right about the window for this team it’s a tough situation.. And he gets hurt then what?? Like stated he is prone to injury.
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Post by kjc2 on Dec 2, 2019 23:49:44 GMT -5
I always like to think about where he fits. If he could play 2nd right wing lets do it. If he just plays left wing where do we slot him? In Jake’s spot? If we do that we may as well include Jake in the deal. I wouldn’t do it, if we’re going shopping let’s get a legit rwer for Krejci.
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Post by DonnyBrook on Dec 3, 2019 7:56:46 GMT -5
i wouldnt go for hall. the bruins team chemistry is what keeps them winning.
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