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Post by kjc2 on Jun 7, 2022 11:19:37 GMT -5
Just listening to the Sweeney interview in bits and pieces, how does he feel or anyone feel we left something on the table? We played against a superior team first of all. We had injuries to 6 or 7 key players. We had a rookie goalie in net and the plumbers that Donny signed last off season weren’t anything to write home about. We shouldn’t have been expected to win and we didn’t. Fuck you Sweeney!
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Post by nfld77 on Jun 7, 2022 13:04:59 GMT -5
Fucking bullshit firing Butch after another 100pt season..DDA,Dark Decade Ahead!!! DAD Dumb Ass Donny!!!
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 7, 2022 13:32:56 GMT -5
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 7, 2022 14:37:49 GMT -5
To compare, " Barzal has played in 361 games for the New York Islanders with 91 goals and 220 assists. DeBrusk has been the most successful of the three Boston picks with 92 goals in 321 games, " So Jake has played < 40gms then Barzal yet has 1 + goal, not as bad as I thought, in fact has a better up side. " Zboril, who just signed a two-year contract extension after having season-ending knee surgery in December, has played in all of 54 NHL games" Played 1/6 as many gms as Chabot BUT he has shown he can play. Senyshyn = BUST!! I'm NOT defending Donnie BUT 2 out of three are as bad as has been made publicly. A draft pick is a crap shoot usually after what top 10-20 in a good year? I'm no GM & hind sight is ALWAYS 20/20. Am I pissed at the state of the Bruins Hell yes, is this Donnie/Cam's fault surely BUT the players have to be held accountable too. Now Donnies F/A signings have been pretty much horrible for term & $$$!!!.
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 7, 2022 17:25:15 GMT -5
WOW this is REALLY bad PR!! From Bruins NHL web site NOT a mention of Butch's firing!?!?!?! WTF www.nhl.com/bruins
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 8, 2022 6:36:48 GMT -5
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Post by crafar01 on Jun 8, 2022 6:58:43 GMT -5
If this is true, I swear, this is really looking more and more like the Bruins organization from the early/mid 2000s.
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 8, 2022 6:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 8, 2022 7:00:33 GMT -5
If this is true, I swear, this is really looking more and more like the Bruins organization from the early/mid 2000s. Right now I give Fluto about as much respect as I do Haggs. But if it is true...
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Post by crafar01 on Jun 8, 2022 7:14:23 GMT -5
If this is true, I swear, this is really looking more and more like the Bruins organization from the early/mid 2000s. Right now I give Fluto about as much respect as I do Haggs. But if it is true... I too don't trust Fruito, but given all the ancillary things that have happened of late, it wouldn't surprise me - Butch's firing, Bergeron in limbo, Krejci pretty much just walking last year, terrible signings...I think as a player watching all this, I would be frustrated and be questioning just what it is management is trying to accomplish.
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 8, 2022 8:33:36 GMT -5
On Monday, after firing Bruce Cassidy, general manager Don Sweeney informed Patrice Bergeron of his decision. The captain processed the news, just like he did six years ago when Sweeney fired Claude Julien. Endorsement in either direction was not on Bergeron’s agenda.
“He has too much respect for Bruce for me or anybody to make a recommendation about who the coach is and who he’s going to play with,” said Sweeney. “We went through the same thing with Claude where he played and had a lot of success with.”
In fact, Sweeney did not ask Bergeron whether Cassidy’s dismissal influenced his decision about 2022-23. The Bruins are giving Bergeron time and space to arrive at an independent conclusion with input from his family.
So far, offseason events have been anything but encouraging.
Cassidy, who gave Bergeron freedom to oversee the dressing room and play more on the attack, is gone. Brad Marchand, Bergeron’s tightest friend and perpetual left wing, will not be ready at the start of 2022-23 following surgery on both hips. Same goes for Charlie McAvoy (shoulder), the 24-year-old who will one day claim the “C” that resides on Bergeron’s jersey. Matt Grzelcyk (shoulder) will also be unavailable when the season opens — that is, if he’s not traded. The Bruins will have to move swiftly on re-signing David Pastrnak or trading the right wing. The second Stanley Cup Bergeron wants is unlikely to be his as a Bruin.
As for himself, it could be the end of August before Bergeron is fully recovered from surgery on his left elbow. Bergeron said he has been playing through a tendon injury for the past two seasons. A source close to Bergeron put it as long as five years. Rehabbing his elbow to play in the NHL is not the same as making sure it’s fit for post-career shuffleboard.
So add this all up: recovery, acclimating to a new coach, peeking behind himself in the season-opening pregame line and not seeing his most trusted henchmen coming up behind him.
Meanwhile, Bergeron’s health, namely his head, is good. He won his record-setting fifth Selke Trophy. He became the first Bruin to score 400 goals, all for the Black-and-Gold franchise.
So why would he come back?
“Definitely clouds the picture,” a source familiar with Bergeron’s thinking said of recent events.
Sweeney still believes the 2022-23 roster, or what he knows of it, will be competitive. Jeremy Swayman and Linus Ullmark should be a good goaltending tandem. Every defenseman is under contract and eager to defend the Bruins’ title as the stingiest team in the league in terms of expected goals against.
The health and prompt returns of Marchand, McAvoy and Grzelcyk, though, will be critical if the Bruins intend to gain traction in November and December. The next coach will have to express more out of young players like Trent Frederic and Jack Studnicka, to name two, who wobbled under the weight of Cassidy’s touch.
Bergeron’s return is just as critical as all of the above. His 2021-22 play did not contain any red flags signaling a 2022-23 crash. He should remain a No. 1 center.
“The question looms for Bergeron,” said Sweeney. “That’s the question in terms of when you talk about bringing back a similar type of roster. He’s a big part of that. I still have to wait for that decision. I don’t have any clarity on that as I stand here today.”
Sweeney’s wait could be longer than expected. Multiple sources raised the possibility of Bergeron remaining in evaluation mode until November or December.
This would give Bergeron time to rest and be with his family while keeping one eye on the standings. If the Bruins were in contention, Bergeron could return for half or two-thirds of the season to spare himself some of the sport’s wear and tear.
The problem with that scenario, though, is what the unavailability of Marchand and McAvoy, in particular, could mean for early-season results. In theory, the Bruins will have a tougher time recording points while their two most important players are on the mend.
Concurrently, the next coach will still be finding his way. By Thanksgiving, the traditional way station for designating the contenders and the has-beens, the Bruins may already be looking for their golf clubs.
“We’re a competitive group and we’re going to remain a competitive group,” Sweeney insisted. “But we may need to infuse at some point in time. If we have the injuries and things that catch up to you that you just can’t get out from under, that’s a problem. And in the Bergeron (issue), as I referenced the last time I was here, it could be a directional shift as well.”
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 8, 2022 9:06:14 GMT -5
Bruce Cassidy believes in candor. He has never bitten his tongue with his players when evaluating their play, reinforcing their habits and explaining concepts.
Six-plus seasons of doing so cost him his job.
“You don’t go out and get 107 points, win 51 games, if the players aren’t responding to you. It just doesn’t happen. He’s able the push the buttons that are necessary,” general manager Don Sweeney said on Tuesday, one day after firing Cassidy. “But it takes its toll. Over the course of time, it takes its toll. You’ve got to find a way to either develop that message a little differently. Or the personnel changes and you cycle it out.”
Cassidy’s Black-and-Gold past is full of accomplishments. Most recent was making the playoffs for a sixth straight time and taking Carolina to seven games.
The 2021-22 Bruins averaged a league-low 2.01 expected goals against per 60 minutes of five-on-five play, according to Natural Stat Trick. It was the sixth straight season they finished among the league’s three best teams in this metric.
Under Cassidy, Brad Marchand became the best all-around left wing in the business. Cassidy relieved Patrice Bergeron of some of his heavy defensive lifting to optimize his offensive game. David Pastrnak and Charlie McAvoy developed into superstars. He left his star players, including David Krejci and Tuukka Rask, to run the room.
Sweeney’s decision, however, was about the future. Bergeron’s time may be over. Marchand, 34, has three seasons remaining on his deal, the first of which will be shortened following hip surgery. Pastrnak, unrestricted after 2022-23, would be Sweeney’s top trade piece to initiate a rebuild.
All of this leaves younger players like Jake DeBrusk (25), Brandon Carlo (25), Trent Frederic (24) and Jack Studnicka (23) with greater responsibilities. All of them, at one point or another, have staggered under the load of Cassidy’s no-nonsense philosophy.
It became so bad for DeBrusk that he wanted out, even after signing a two-year, $8 million extension he hoped would facilitate that request. Whether DeBrusk has changed his thinking is unknown. Rick Valette, DeBrusk’s agent, did not respond to an inquiry regarding his client’s state of mind.
It wasn’t just the young players who slumped their heads under Cassidy’s watch. Some of the veterans, according to a source familiar with the situation, questioned whether Cassidy’s way with the youngsters was good for the room. Dissatisfaction also touched individual performance. Nick Foligno, the team’s second-oldest player at 34, did not see eye to eye with Cassidy regarding his fourth-line deployment.
“I felt that both the message and how it was being delivered — and, more important, how it was being received — young and old,” Sweeney said of how Cassidy fell short. “That’s where I referenced both younger and older players and taking ownership of it, as I would and I do with where our roster’s at and the changes I ultimately have to make. I think the players felt they were very well prepared. But at times, young and old, they struggled. Sometimes that’s the voice that’s in their head. Ultimately, I had to make a decision that takes us in a different path.”
Cassidy’s results signaled that he deserved an opportunity to evolve in 2022-23, both in his manner with players and philosophies of generating offense. Sweeney felt differently.
They have worked together since 2008, when Sweeney was director of player development and Cassidy was a first-year assistant coach in Providence. By the end, Sweeney believed he knew Cassidy well enough to determine the 57-year-old’s habits were too ingrained to amend to the degree he preferred.
“I think Bruce has evolved,” said Sweeney. “I’ve been working with Bruce for 14 years. I’ve watched him grow, and it’s the reason why I promoted him six years ago. Because I knew what his skill set as a coach was. As far as evolving, his confidence as a head coach and the messaging he wants to deliver, I think, is exactly as he wants it to be. Has it changed with the group that’s still here? And is it as effective with the group that’s still here? That was my determination — not as effective as it was. But it doesn’t mean it’s going to be less effective somewhere else.”
Sweeney’s next order of business is to hire a coach who will be quicker than Cassidy to put his arm around his players. Jay Leach and David Quinn, the two top candidates, have histories of promoting concepts like positivity and growth mindset. That neither has the experience of veterans like Mike Babcock or Barry Trotz does not eliminate them from consideration. Sweeney, however, is methodical. He will interview more candidates than less.
“I’m going to cast the net a little wider,” said Sweeney. “I don’t think it’s an absolute prerequisite. We’ve got an experienced group of guys that want to win, know how to win. And a young group of guys is the next core, Charlie and David being part of that, that hopefully can bridge and continue to bridge what that next young group is going to come in. Now a coach needs to direct that ship and be able to communicate effectively across all those age groups. That’s why I certainly want to cast the net wide enough. I don’t believe it’s an absolute prerequisite to have coached behind an NHL bench.”
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 8, 2022 9:37:33 GMT -5
BabCock NO way in hell do I want to see that guy ANYWHERE near the Bruins even as an opposing coach! Total DICK HEAD!!!
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Post by madmarx on Jun 8, 2022 9:47:24 GMT -5
Just in from Jimmy Shapiro @betonline_ag: odds on next #NHLBruins coach Nate Leaman 4/1 Barry Trotz 5/1 Greg Carvel 11/2 Pete DeBoer 11/2 Dave Tippett 7/1 Jeff Blashill 7/1 Jim Montgomery 7/1 Marc Savard 7/1 Travis Green 8/1 John Tortorella 10/1 Guy Boucher 16/1 Mike Babcock 16/1
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 8, 2022 9:59:19 GMT -5
Trotz would be my pick out of that list. The guy knows how to win, never heard any bad PR about him.
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Post by skemack on Jun 8, 2022 12:14:18 GMT -5
Trotz would be my pick out of that list. The guy knows how to win, never heard any bad PR about him. Agreed, I prefer Trotz but I am not sure the state of the Bruins would interest him in coaching the team. This team is on the precipice of disaster right now. Best to steer with Jay Leach or Dan Quinn. If they go Babcock then I will boycott the team until his era is over.
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Post by skemack on Jun 8, 2022 12:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 8, 2022 19:20:48 GMT -5
Just in from Jimmy Shapiro @betonline_ag: odds on next #NHLBruins coach Nate Leaman 4/1 Barry Trotz 5/1 Greg Carvel 11/2 Pete DeBoer 11/2 Dave Tippett 7/1 Jeff Blashill 7/1 Jim Montgomery 7/1 Marc Savard 7/1 Travis Green 8/1 John Tortorella 10/1 Guy Boucher 16/1 Mike Babcock 16/1 Kind of thought Jay Leach would have been on the top of the list.
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Post by orym on Jun 9, 2022 10:53:31 GMT -5
Just in from Jimmy Shapiro @betonline_ag: odds on next #NHLBruins coach Nate Leaman 4/1 Barry Trotz 5/1 Greg Carvel 11/2 Pete DeBoer 11/2 Dave Tippett 7/1 Jeff Blashill 7/1 Jim Montgomery 7/1 Marc Savard 7/1 Travis Green 8/1 John Tortorella 10/1 Guy Boucher 16/1 Mike Babcock 16/1 Kind of thought Jay Leach would have been on the top of the list. Blashill? Was that added as a joke? I'd switch teams if they hired Blashill!
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 9, 2022 11:38:30 GMT -5
Effing SweeNeely
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 9, 2022 11:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 9, 2022 11:50:07 GMT -5
Bruce Cassidy on Patrice Bergeron: “I’d like to take him with me to honest with you because he’s an unbelievable person, player and leader”
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 9, 2022 11:53:34 GMT -5
Bruce Cassidy confirmed he’s “talked to a number of teams” already about NHL head coaching gigs. He won’t be out of work long
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Post by crafar01 on Jun 9, 2022 11:56:47 GMT -5
Back to the dark days of classless management...lovely.
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Post by madmarx on Jun 9, 2022 13:34:43 GMT -5
I’m sure the next Coach can’t wait to get here after hearing that 🤬
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Post by skemack on Jun 9, 2022 14:46:54 GMT -5
Kind of thought Jay Leach would have been on the top of the list. Blashill? Was that added as a joke? I'd switch teams if they hired Blashill! Guy Boucher is another one that would not only make me boycott but I would have to seriously question my support of the team going forward. He was an abject nightmare of a coach here in Ottawa. Just no and emphatically no to the following: Pete DeBoer 11/2 Dave Tippett 7/1 Jeff Blashill 7/1 Travis Green 8/1 John Tortorella 10/1 Guy Boucher 16/1 Mike Babcock 16/1 Go with Leach, Quinn, possibly Leaman.
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Post by skemack on Jun 9, 2022 14:47:31 GMT -5
Back to the dark days of classless management...lovely. Anyone else no longer looking forward to next season?
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Post by nfld77 on Jun 9, 2022 15:27:51 GMT -5
Coming from SN, I'm sure they're enjoying all this and I have to wonder how much truth is behind this..To tell coach his job is safe and all of a sudden change it..If true, something might have happened since then that we know nothing about..You guys know Im not a DS/CN fan but I wish we had entire truth behind all this..There's so much media crap out there, hard to tell what's true and whats not..Regardless, I HATE the thought of losing Butch and Sweeney stays, just hate it!!!
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 9, 2022 16:05:06 GMT -5
Bruce Cassidy on Patrice Bergeron: “I’d like to take him with me to honest with you because he’s an unbelievable person, player and leader” No $hit Butch what coach/team wouldn't want Bergy!! Jeez
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 9, 2022 16:10:17 GMT -5
WHO said that Butch WAS told this??? DID Butch say this or more media stir the Anti Bruin Pot?!?!?! Hey he's a good coach BUT he just may have lost the room W/his vet's over youth player choice & how he handled the youth too? I don't know, only the true INSIDERS do!! What was his issues as his 1st head coaching job W/Caps?? Did he get comfortable & resort back to that type of coaching??? He'll land another gig because of what the Bruins did, he's a coach not a player. Wish him good luck where ever he lands, until his team plays the Bruins that is!
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