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Post by SeaBass on Jun 9, 2022 20:48:26 GMT -5
From Butch’s mouth. He did a zoom call with reporters this morning.
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 10, 2022 8:53:29 GMT -5
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Post by orym on Jun 11, 2022 21:56:22 GMT -5
Standings after 3 rounds
SeaBass - 115 KSJ08 - 115 kjc2 - 110 nfld77 - 95 orym - 75 fforr - 70 Losing my mind - 40
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Post by orym on Jun 11, 2022 21:58:30 GMT -5
Stanley Cup Final
30 points for correct team. Bonus 30 points for correct games. 20 points for Conn Symthe winner.
Colorado vs. Tampa Bay
Conn Smythe:
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 12, 2022 6:19:47 GMT -5
Colorado vs. Tampa Bay= Avs in 5
Conn Smythe: McKinnon
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Post by fforr on Jun 12, 2022 11:26:26 GMT -5
Bolts in 6. Vasileskiy
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 12, 2022 11:43:09 GMT -5
Yeah he's the only one that I'm worried about vs AV's goaltending.
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Post by nfld77 on Jun 12, 2022 12:50:54 GMT -5
Tampa in 6...Vasilevskiy
Thank you Ory on a well job done!!
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Post by Losing my mind on Jun 12, 2022 15:25:26 GMT -5
I may have forgotten about this. Oops! Avs in 6 MacKinnon
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 12, 2022 15:50:29 GMT -5
Avs in 6 Makar
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Post by fforr on Jun 13, 2022 11:17:02 GMT -5
Been a week or so and now the organizational priority is a head coach. I believe that DS is under contract somehow until the finals are over. Cam has said that they’re going to re-up Don but that promise didn’t work out to good for the ex coach… You would think they would sign the GM before under going the process of finding and naming a new coach, no? Can’t hire a coach then fire the GM can you? Has to be more to this than meets the eye. Think part of it for Cam and many is the soft pile of passive 💩 that this team has morphed into. That was all the talk when Don canned Claude and hired Bruce. Everything was pace and tempo until the regular season and playoff series losses against the heavy teams became a pattern. Don’t think they’ll hire someone without NHL or AHL experience.
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 13, 2022 11:25:00 GMT -5
If DS is the full reason for small soft players, especially Dmen then he's need to go too!!
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Post by blkngld on Jun 13, 2022 17:26:22 GMT -5
Been a week or so and now the organizational priority is a head coach. I believe that DS is under contract somehow until the finals are over. Cam has said that they’re going to re-up Don but that promise didn’t work out to good for the ex coach… You would think they would sign the GM before under going the process of finding and naming a new coach, no? Can’t hire a coach then fire the GM can you? Has to be more to this than meets the eye. Think part of it for Cam and many is the soft pile of passive 💩 that this team has morphed into. That was all the talk when Don canned Claude and hired Bruce. Everything was pace and tempo until the regular season and playoff series losses against the heavy teams became a pattern. Don’t think they’ll hire someone without NHL or AHL experience. Less about the coach IMHO this all goes back to the EPIC flop known as the 2015 draft.. if Don just picked the kids ranked in order by Central Scouting Barzel, Chabot, Conner.. maybe the it's the B's looking for the 3 peat and not the Bolt? just say'n.. at worst the future would still be CUP contenders for another 5+ years.. Did I like the lack of heavy play? No.. but if the team had a legit 2nd line center, scoring winger and a talented D to pair with Charlie.. I'm thinking they Give Tampa all they can handle.. just my 2c So ummmm how's that team that Scott Gorton put together in NY looking?
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Post by kjc2 on Jun 13, 2022 18:42:07 GMT -5
Bolts in 5 Vasileskiy for MVP!!
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Post by fforr on Jun 13, 2022 20:34:52 GMT -5
Been a week or so and now the organizational priority is a head coach. I believe that DS is under contract somehow until the finals are over. Cam has said that they’re going to re-up Don but that promise didn’t work out to good for the ex coach… You would think they would sign the GM before under going the process of finding and naming a new coach, no? Can’t hire a coach then fire the GM can you? Has to be more to this than meets the eye. Think part of it for Cam and many is the soft pile of passive 💩 that this team has morphed into. That was all the talk when Don canned Claude and hired Bruce. Everything was pace and tempo until the regular season and playoff series losses against the heavy teams became a pattern. Don’t think they’ll hire someone without NHL or AHL experience. Less about the coach IMHO this all goes back to the EPIC flop known as the 2015 draft.. if Don just picked the kids ranked in order by Central Scouting Barzel, Chabot, Conner.. maybe the it's the B's looking for the 3 peat and not the Bolt? just say'n.. at worst the future would still be CUP contenders for another 5+ years.. Did I like the lack of heavy play? No.. but if the team had a legit 2nd line center, scoring winger and a talented D to pair with Charlie.. I'm thinking they Give Tampa all they can handle.. just my 2c So ummmm how's that team that Scott Gorton put together in NY looking? Only gets magnified when you continue to trade away high picks.
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 14, 2022 9:13:41 GMT -5
A transition period is a good time to solicit opinions, as evidenced by the nearly 2,500 subscribers who completed The Athletic’s offseason Bruins survey.
What did you have to say about what has already been a busy offseason? Some of the results were more one-sided than others.
Should Cassidy have been fired? Yes 17.4% No 82.6% A clear-cut majority does not believe Bruce Cassidy deserved to be fired. Cassidy’s results speak for themselves: six playoff appearances in the six seasons he served as head coach.
Cassidy himself did not believe a dismissal was in his future following end-of-season exit meetings with management. But after returning from the NHL Combine, general manager Don Sweeney broke the news on June 6 during a visit to Cassidy’s house.
Did Cassidy do his job well? Yes 95.8% No 4.2% An overwhelming majority endorsed Cassidy’s performance. Beyond qualifying for the playoffs six straight times, Cassidy oversaw a team that became known for having one of the league’s stoutest defenses. He helped David Pastrnak and Charlie McAvoy develop into foundational players. Under Cassidy’s watch, Brad Marchand became the NHL’s best all-around left wing and Patrice Bergeron became a more dangerous offensive weapon — while winning a fifth Selke Trophy, no less.
“I feel I did my job,” said Cassidy.
Of the following potential candidates, who would you prefer to see as the next Bruins coach? Jay Leach 49.7% Barry Trotz 25.3% David Quinn 15.1% John Tortorella 6.5% Mike Babcock 3.5% Nearly half of respondents believe Leach should be Cassidy’s replacement. Leach, the first-year Kraken assistant, was Providence’s head coach for the three previous seasons. He played for the Bruins in 2006. McAvoy, Connor Clifton, Jake DeBrusk, Trent Frederic, Matt Grzelcyk, Oskar Steen, Jack Studnicka, Jeremy Swayman and Jakub Zboril played for Leach. The 42-year-old is a positive, energetic and studious coach.
Barry Trotz finished second in the voting. Trotz is like Cassidy: a defense-first coach who preaches structure and accountability. He is a two-time winner of the Jack Adams Award as the NHL’s top coach.
Mike Babcock did not win much support.
Are Neely and Sweeney the right executives to lead the Bruins? Yes 8.6% No 91.4% Sweeney and Cam Neely did not fare well. Sweeney has been GM since 2015 when he replaced Peter Chiarelli.
The Bruins did not make the playoffs in 2015-16, Sweeney’s first full season as GM. He fired Claude Julien on Feb. 7, 2017, and replaced him with Cassidy.
Sweeney has been aggressive at trade deadlines and the opening of free agency. Hampus Lindholm, Taylor Hall, Mike Reilly and Curtis Lazar are among his recent deadline acquisitions. He signed Nick Foligno, Derek Forbort, Erik Haula, Tomas Nosek and Linus Ullmark as unrestricted free agents last offseason.
Neely became president in 2010. The position did not exist prior to then. The Bruins won the Stanley Cup in his first season as president. He fired Chiarelli in 2015 and replaced him with Sweeney, his former teammate.
Is the organization headed in the right direction? Yes 7.8% No 92.2% Most respondents are not optimistic about the future. The coach is gone. The Bruins are awaiting Patrice Bergeron’s decision. Grzelcyk, Marchand and McAvoy will not be ready for the start of 2022-23. David Pastrnak has a year remaining on his contract. Fabian Lysell and Mason Lohrei do not have much high-end company in the prospect pool.
Could the Bruins have won the Stanley Cup in 2021-22? Yes 20.2% No 79.8% A healthy majority did not consider the 2021-22 Bruins worthy of the Cup. Tampa Bay is aiming for its third straight title. The Lightning may be facing their toughest task yet in the high-powered Avalanche.
Will the Bruins win the Cup in 2022-23? Yes 1.9% No 98.1% This was the most clear-cut decision: that the Bruins will not be lifting the Cup in 2022-23. At this time, center is their biggest deficiency. Neither Haula nor Charlie Coyle, currently 1-2 on the depth chart, qualifies as an elite pivot.
The early absences of Grzelcyk, Marchand and McAvoy will not help matters either.
Will the Bruins make the playoffs in 2022-23? Yes 48.0% No 52.0% That said, whether the Bruins will make the playoffs in 2022-23 is seen as a coin flip. They should be good to go in net with Swayman and Ullmark. All of their defensemen are under contract. Perhaps they can tread water early by locking down on defense while Grzelcyk, Marchand and McAvoy recover.
Should the Bruins rebuild immediately? Yes 52.3% No 47.7% Again, another coin-flip call. Cassidy’s dismissal could be a good time to initiate a clean start. If Bergeron says goodbye, that would be another step toward a teardown.
But the Bruins, as noted above, may still have a roster good enough to make the playoffs. TD Garden is full. Selling off assets now would not be good for short-term business.
Will Bergeron return? Yes 41.9% No 58.1% A slight majority believe Bergeron has played his last game. If so, Bergeron exits with his legacy and health intact. Bergeron is the best defensive forward of all time by measure of his record-setting five Selke wins. He has 400 goals, the first player to hit that mark all with the Bruins.
If Bergeron returns, he would have to adjust to a new coach. Marchand would not be at his side early on. The 37-year-old would be chasing a Cup that respondents have declared an unrealistic pursuit.
Will Krejci return? Yes 17.0% No 83.0% Far more respondents believe David Krejci’s time with the Bruins is over than Bergeron’s. Krejci, the Bruins’ second-round pick in 2004, played for HC Olomouc in 2021-22. He is currently in South Carolina, wife Naomi’s home state. Whether Krejci wants to resume his NHL career in 2022-23 is unknown.
Will Pastrnak re-sign? Yes 65.2% No 34.8% Almost two-thirds of respondents see Pastrnak re-upping with the Bruins. That could happen as soon as July 13, the first time the right wing would be eligible of agreeing to an extension. It would likely be an eight-year max-term deal. That could take the 26-year-old Pastrnak until the end of his NHL career.
The question, though, is whether Pastrnak wants to stay. If the organization’s future is cloudy, Pastrnak may see playing for another franchise as his best chance to win. If so, the Bruins cannot afford to let Pastrnak walk for nothing.
Should the Bruins trade DeBrusk? Yes 51.3% No 48.7% Another 50-50 decision, this time regarding the Bruins’ third-leading goal scorer in 2021-22. Whether DeBrusk’s trade request remains active is unknown. He may have changed his mind following Cassidy’s firing. Either way, DeBrusk’s trade value would be higher now than it was previously.
If DeBrusk goes, the Bruins would need offensive help in return. He and Hall are currently the top two left wings while Marchand is unavailable.
If the Bruins trade a defenseman this offseason, who would you prefer they move? Mike Reilly 47.7% Matt Grzelcyk 31.7% Jakub Zboril 10.4% Derek Forbort 10.2% Mike Reilly is signed through 2024 at $3 million annually. He can move pucks and support the attack. Reilly is not as sharp defensively as Grzelcyk. As such, he is the most likely of the five left-shot defensemen under contract to be on the move.
Will Frederic and Studnicka be top-nine NHL forwards next year? Yes 30.5% No 69.5% Respondents do not have much faith in Frederic and Studnicka. Frederic was benched for part of Game 7 against Carolina after his involvement in a critical sequence: hitting iron at one end, then failing to fill a passing lane at the other. Studnicka, meanwhile, did not even make the postseason roster.
Frederic, 24, is signed for one more season at $1.05 million. Studnicka, 23, is a restricted free agent.
Do the Bruins have enough good prospects? Yes 5.3% No 94.7% The prospect pool is thin. Aside from Lysell and Lohrei, perhaps the closest NHL asset is John Beecher, the No. 30 pick in 2019. Beecher, 21, appeared in nine games for Providence (three goals and five points) after concluding his junior season at the University of Michigan. He will begin his first full pro season in Providence in 2022-23.
The Bruins do not have a 2022 first-round pick. They are also without second-rounders in 2023 and 2024, which they traded to Anaheim in the Lindholm deal.
The Bruins have targeted college free agency as an alternate method of filling the prospect pool. Jack Ahcan, Marc McLaughlin and Georgii Merkulov, all undrafted, are some of the most recent signings.
Have the Bruins drafted well? Yes 5.1% No 94.9% A cycle of either trading top selections or drafting late in the first round has taken its toll. They had only four picks in 2020. They drafted five players in 2018 and 2019.
The darkest cloud over the organization is the 2015 draft. Seven years later, the failure to restock remains Sweeney’s most critical shortcoming. Zboril, DeBrusk and Brandon Carlo are the three players remaining from their six picks in the first two rounds.
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Post by orym on Jun 14, 2022 9:34:17 GMT -5
Tampa Bay in 7. Vasilevskiy for Conn Smythe.
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Post by kjc2 on Jun 14, 2022 12:22:11 GMT -5
I went on a fishing trip the day after Butch was fired and so I’ve been catching up on all the Bruins talk for the past week. I’m a Cassidy fan so needless to say I wasn’t happy with his dismissal. Butch obviously wasn’t fired over results as in wins and losses. He’s an excellent tactical coach. I’ve been thinking about Bergeron’s need to take time to consider if he wants to retire or not. Last year Krejci took time to decide whether he wanted to return or not. Debrusk wants/wanted out? Carlo is a mess, has a good game here and there but it was his worst season as a Bruin in my opinion. Smith was not the same player this year, Coyle’s play is spotty. Pasta, as talented as he is didn’t look very engaged this season. Obviously he’s been through a devastating time but he said he was happy and his head was clear for the second half. Also he looked rejuvenated at the world championships. Hardly any new kids can seem to gain any ground with cracking the Bruins full time.
Sweeney sounded like a total idiot at the presser when he was being questioned over his reasons for firing Butch. “Bruce didn’t lose the room”, “the Bruins left something on table”, “the players don’t drive the buss”, “the Bruins had multiple key injuries”, anyway everything was very contradictory.
I guess my new theory and just a theory is that the players were professional and would follow Bergeron over a cliff but they can’t stand Butch as a coach anymore. Sweeney couldn’t say Butch’s style was the problem because he didn’t want to mess with Bruce’s opportunities going forward. Let’s face it, the Babcock’s of the world are pretty much done, maybe Butch has a lot of the old school tactics that wear players out.
Next year we’ll have a different coach, if Bergeron comes back, if Krejci comes back, if Debrusk looks like a new player, if Pasta looks like a Rocket trophy candidate again, if Carlo starts to actually continue developing and we get kids sprinkled throughout the lineup then maybe we have to say Butch was a problem. Time will tell.
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Post by nfld77 on Jun 14, 2022 13:20:55 GMT -5
I went on a fishing trip the day after Butch was fired and so I’ve been catching up on all the Bruins talk for the past week. I’m a Cassidy fan so needless to say I wasn’t happy with his dismissal. Butch obviously wasn’t fired over results as in wins and losses. He’s an excellent tactical coach. I’ve been thinking about Bergeron’s need to take time to consider if he wants to retire or not. Last year Krejci took time to decide whether he wanted to return or not. Debrusk wants/wanted out? Carlo is a mess, has a good game here and there but it was his worst season as a Bruin in my opinion. Smith was not the same player this year, Coyle’s play is spotty. Pasta, as talented as he is didn’t look very engaged this season. Obviously he’s been through a devastating time but he said he was happy and his head was clear for the second half. Also he looked rejuvenated at the world championships. Hardly any new kids can seem to gain any ground with cracking the Bruins full time. Sweeney sounded like a total idiot at the presser when he was being questioned over his reasons for firing Butch. “Bruce didn’t lose the room”, “the Bruins left something on table”, “the players don’t drive the buss”, “the Bruins had multiple key injuries”, anyway everything was very contradictory. I guess my new theory and just a theory is that the players were professional and would follow Bergeron over a cliff but they can’t stand Butch as a coach anymore. Sweeney couldn’t say Butch’s style was the problem because he didn’t want to mess with Bruce’s opportunities going forward. Let’s face it, the Babcock’s of the world are pretty much done, maybe Butch has a lot of the old school tactics that wear players out. Next year we’ll have a different coach, if Bergeron comes back, if Krejci comes back, if Debrusk looks like a new player, if Pasta looks like a Rocket trophy candidate again, if Carlo starts to actually continue developing and we get kids sprinkled throughout the lineup then maybe we have to say Butch was a problem. Time will tell. For years KJC I have been reading your posts along of course with everyone elses..This post is very thorough and you'll get no objections from me BUT IF This team craps all season, Sweeney will blame it on all the early season injuries..Whatever way, LOVE your post!!!
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Post by kjc2 on Jun 14, 2022 14:44:26 GMT -5
I went on a fishing trip the day after Butch was fired and so I’ve been catching up on all the Bruins talk for the past week. I’m a Cassidy fan so needless to say I wasn’t happy with his dismissal. Butch obviously wasn’t fired over results as in wins and losses. He’s an excellent tactical coach. I’ve been thinking about Bergeron’s need to take time to consider if he wants to retire or not. Last year Krejci took time to decide whether he wanted to return or not. Debrusk wants/wanted out? Carlo is a mess, has a good game here and there but it was his worst season as a Bruin in my opinion. Smith was not the same player this year, Coyle’s play is spotty. Pasta, as talented as he is didn’t look very engaged this season. Obviously he’s been through a devastating time but he said he was happy and his head was clear for the second half. Also he looked rejuvenated at the world championships. Hardly any new kids can seem to gain any ground with cracking the Bruins full time. Sweeney sounded like a total idiot at the presser when he was being questioned over his reasons for firing Butch. “Bruce didn’t lose the room”, “the Bruins left something on table”, “the players don’t drive the buss”, “the Bruins had multiple key injuries”, anyway everything was very contradictory. I guess my new theory and just a theory is that the players were professional and would follow Bergeron over a cliff but they can’t stand Butch as a coach anymore. Sweeney couldn’t say Butch’s style was the problem because he didn’t want to mess with Bruce’s opportunities going forward. Let’s face it, the Babcock’s of the world are pretty much done, maybe Butch has a lot of the old school tactics that wear players out. Next year we’ll have a different coach, if Bergeron comes back, if Krejci comes back, if Debrusk looks like a new player, if Pasta looks like a Rocket trophy candidate again, if Carlo starts to actually continue developing and we get kids sprinkled throughout the lineup then maybe we have to say Butch was a problem. Time will tell. For years KJC I have been reading your posts along of course with everyone elses..This post is very thorough and you'll get no objections from me BUT IF This team craps all season, Sweeney will blame it on all the early season injuries..Whatever way, LOVE your post!!! I’m only saying that it’s possible not that it’s true. Also knowing that the Bruins are hamstrung with injuries to start the season wouldn’t it make more sense for Sweeney to keep Butch through all that mess and maybe keep the team afloat. That way he could fire Butch a lot easier next year, as it stands I really do think Sweeney takes the bullet next year if we miss the playoffs. We all agree it’s a weird firing, I think there’s a lot we don’t know and most likely it’s been brewing for a couple of years or more.
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Post by nfld77 on Jun 14, 2022 15:04:53 GMT -5
For years KJC I have been reading your posts along of course with everyone elses..This post is very thorough and you'll get no objections from me BUT IF This team craps all season, Sweeney will blame it on all the early season injuries..Whatever way, LOVE your post!!! I’m only saying that it’s possible not that it’s true. Also knowing that the Bruins are hamstrung with injuries to start the season wouldn’t it make more sense for Sweeney to keep Butch through all that mess and maybe keep the team afloat. That way he could fire Butch a lot easier next year, as it stands I really do think Sweeney takes the bullet next year if we miss the playoffs. We all agree it’s a weird firing, I think there’s a lot we don’t know and most likely it’s been brewing for a couple of years or more. Definitely, I certainly believe there's alot going on behind closed doors that we as Bruin fans know nothing about..I would LOVE to know how the players feel about the firing of Cassidy, especially Pasta and Bergeron..Will his firing influence Bergeron's future or Pastrnak signing longterm..How will a new coach affect Jakes play..Will they keep him on top line when the teams healthy?? SO many questions that wont be answered anytime soon..
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Post by KSJ08 on Jun 14, 2022 16:06:02 GMT -5
I said a few posts ago that Butch's 1st gig W/Caps did not end well W/Players & did HE start to revert BACK to those tactics? Time will tell, it will all come out eventually.
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Post by bruinsnorth on Jun 15, 2022 13:02:55 GMT -5
With The Devils being further along in their rebuild then say the Habs or Yotes is it possible that they could move the 2nd overall pick. If so do the Bs have a package that could entice them. Probably starts with Debrusk plus another middle aged player like Grz. Is that enough to get it done?
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 15, 2022 13:21:40 GMT -5
With The Devils being further along in their rebuild then say the Habs or Yotes is it possible that they could move the 2nd overall pick. If so do the Bs have a package that could entice them. Probably starts with Debrusk plus another middle aged player like Grz. Is that enough to get it done? Would you trade the 2nd overall pick for Yegor Sharangovich and Ryan Graves?
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Post by kjc2 on Jun 15, 2022 14:49:01 GMT -5
With The Devils being further along in their rebuild then say the Habs or Yotes is it possible that they could move the 2nd overall pick. If so do the Bs have a package that could entice them. Probably starts with Debrusk plus another middle aged player like Grz. Is that enough to get it done? Would you trade the 2nd overall pick for Yegor Sharangovich and Ryan Graves? Also that second round pick looks like Slafkovsky, 6’4” 218 left wing. He may even go number one but I doubt it.
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Post by bruinsnorth on Jun 15, 2022 15:16:08 GMT -5
Would you trade the 2nd overall pick for Yegor Sharangovich and Ryan Graves? Also that second round pick looks like Slafkovsky, 6’4” 218 left wing. He may even go number one but I doubt it. I do like Sharangovich especially given the fact that he was a Fifth rounder. I do think Debrusk is a better player when put in a position to succeed. After seeing what he did with Bergie and Marchand I think he can be a 35-40 goal scorer. I am not too familiar with Graves and sure I am likely guilty of over valuing the home teams players. Do you think the Bs have a package that can get it done. Would it have to be Pasta?
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Post by madmarx on Jun 15, 2022 16:28:08 GMT -5
I’m only saying that it’s possible not that it’s true. Also knowing that the Bruins are hamstrung with injuries to start the season wouldn’t it make more sense for Sweeney to keep Butch through all that mess and maybe keep the team afloat. That way he could fire Butch a lot easier next year, as it stands I really do think Sweeney takes the bullet next year if we miss the playoffs. We all agree it’s a weird firing, I think there’s a lot we don’t know and most likely it’s been brewing for a couple of years or more. Definitely, I certainly believe there's alot going on behind closed doors that we as Bruin fans know nothing about..I would LOVE to know how the players feel about the firing of Cassidy, especially Pasta and Bergeron..Will his firing influence Bergeron's future or Pastrnak signing longterm..How will a new coach affect Jakes play..Will they keep him on top line when the teams healthy?? SO many questions that wont be answered anytime soon.. If Pasta ends up in Vegas that should answer a few questions
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 15, 2022 21:36:56 GMT -5
I do believe Pasta or Chuckie would have to go.
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Post by kjc2 on Jun 16, 2022 4:45:49 GMT -5
I do believe Pasta or Chuckie would have to go. If the Bruins know already Pasta is not coming back or will price himself out of our range maybe I trade him for NJ’s pick but it would need to be the 2nd overall pick + a prospect or player.
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Post by SeaBass on Jun 16, 2022 6:25:11 GMT -5
I do believe Pasta or Chuckie would have to go. If the Bruins know already Pasta is not coming back or will price himself out of our range maybe I trade him for NJ’s pick but it would need to be the 2nd overall pick + a prospect or player. I agree. Pasta would get more than just a first.
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