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Post by nfld77 on Aug 16, 2022 12:40:51 GMT -5
I wasnt impressed with Lysell's play against USA but in saying that, I do realize it's only one game and he didnt seem to have alot of room out there..But whats best for his developement, Boston, Providence or a return to the Giants of the WHL?? I would choose Giants!! Bruins are stacked up front and it's gonna be tough to find a spot for him..Plus, whats the sense in rushing the kid?? If he lights it up during training camp, maybe Lysell forces their hand and he makes team out of camp..But I think a return to the Giants where he should dominate this season might very well be the best thing for his confidence..I guess it remains to be seen and how he looks at camp this fall..Gonna be interesting for sure!!
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 19, 2022 6:14:03 GMT -5
Fabian Lysell scored 22 goals and 62 points for Vancouver Giants coach Michael Dyck in 2021-22. He recorded 28 of his team-leading 62 points before his 19th birthday, all within the following circumstances: as a first-year WHL player in a new country on sheets 15 feet narrower than those he had known in Sweden.
It stands to reason, then, that Dyck would be delighted to have an older, stronger and more experienced Lysell in a Giants jersey in 2022-23.
Dyck is not counting on it, though.
“I would think he’s ready for the next step,” Dyck said. “We would be really surprised to see him back.”
Whether Boston or Providence comes first is a question Lysell could answer shortly.
Starting the process On Friday at Buffalo’s HarborCenter, Lysell and the other Bruins youngsters will kick off the six-team Prospects Challenge. Ottawa will be first up for the Bruins.
Lysell, the Bruins’ 2021 first-round pick, will start on a line with Jakub Lauko and Georgii Merkulov. It should be a fast-paced trio, with scoring as Job 1.
Given Lysell’s speed and hands, Lauko and Merkulov would be well-served getting the puck on the right wing’s stick. In the rookies’ first practice at Warrior Ice Arena this week, he excelled at transporting the puck to scoring areas. His hands did the rest.
“Fabulous kid that loves hockey. It shows in how he plays,” said Providence coach Ryan Mougenel. “His skill obviously sets him apart from some of his peers. For him, I think it’s a great opportunity to come in and have a measuring stick with some NHL guys. I think this tournament’s going to be a great thing for him too to watch the puck go in the net and get some touches.”
You could argue that Lysell is the most dynamic forward the Bruins have drafted since they tabbed David Pastrnak No. 25 in 2014. The comparison is easy to make: right wings, Swedish experience, loads of pace and skill.
But unlike Pastrnak, who played in Sweden prior to making his North American touchdown, Lysell dove into the CHL deep end. It was not easy. The rinks were smaller. The competition was nastier. Being a continent away from his Gothenburg home was hard on the 18-year-old.
“A lot of people take that for granted. For us, we know how difficult it is,” Dyck said of European imports. “On the ice, it probably didn’t take him a long time to figure out how we wanted to play and how he had to play. There were some adjustments, playing in our league and playing with new teammates. Off the ice was probably a bigger adjustment. He was dealing with some homesickness. He missed his parents, family and friends. That, along with the culture and moving in with a billet family, there was certainly an adjustment period there.”
Lysell started 2021-22 with Justin Sourdif, a Panthers prospect, as his linemate. After the Giants traded Sourdif to Edmonton, Dyck paired Lysell with Zack Ostapchuk, a 2021 Ottawa second-rounder.
With Ostapchuk at his side, Lysell found another gear in the playoffs. Lysell recorded four goals and 17 assists in 12 games, finishing second to Ostapchuk (23 points) in postseason scoring.
“He was able to elevate because he became a little more process-driven as opposed to result-driven,” Dyck said. “Early in the season, if he wasn’t generating a lot of points, there was certainly a level of frustration. If the focus was about process and buying into process, the points and results would take care of themselves. He bought into that. It isn’t easy to create offense in the playoffs. He did it.”
Lysell continued his progression in August’s rescheduled world juniors, helping Sweden win bronze and finishing the tournament with six points in seven games — second on the team behind Philadelphia prospect Emil Andrae. He traveled directly from Edmonton, the site of the tournament, to Boston.
By the start of main training camp Sept. 21, Lysell will have been in Boston for nearly a month. Perhaps he will extend his stay.
Boston or Providence? Pastrnak, 26, has developed into an NHL superstar. As a first-year pro, he began his career in Providence. Lysell may follow that route.
Coach Jim Montgomery expects to start Jake DeBrusk at right wing on the No. 1 line next to Patrice Bergeron. Pastrnak will be next up. Craig Smith is the likely No. 3 right wing. Marc McLaughlin, Oskar Steen and Chris Wagner are among the right wings competing for fourth-line employment.
That does not leave a varsity spot for Lysell. Which is fine. The 19-year-old requires professional reps, not necessarily an NHL job at the start. The league is unkind to teenagers who need to learn, especially away from the puck.
“His growth is going to be his growth,” said Mougenel. “Like all of us, coaches included, we have things to work on. For him, he just needs to play and play free a little bit. Maybe not think so much. That’s what this tournament’s a little bit about. There’s going to be mistakes. We know that. We’ve got to bend, but we can’t break. For him, just play free and do what he does. It’s a great opportunity for him to show us what his identity is. He’s done a pretty good job at such a young age already kind of doing that.”
In main camp, Lysell may find himself taking shifts with Bergeron, David Krejci or Charlie Coyle. Any would be an ideal instructor of three-zone responsibility. None of the veterans tolerates defensive slackness.
“You always try and use your strengths as your advantage,” said Lysell. “I’m here for my skill set with speed and creating chances. But I also want to be able to work on my all-around game. It’s definitely one of the best spots you can be in to learn and grow throughout that process here.”
If Lysell starts in Providence, his development will determine how long he stays in the AHL. Cap compliance may also come into play.
It could be, for example, that Lysell becomes NHL-ready around the time Matt Grzelcyk, Brad Marchand and Charlie McAvoy are cleared for action. In that scenario, general manager Don Sweeney could put Smith and his $3.1 million average annual value into play.
All of that could proceed after Lysell and his fellow rookies do their thing in Buffalo. Some of them will move up to main camp. How long they stick around is up to them. Lysell will be no different.
“I don’t know what the depth looks like,” said Dyck. “He’s got the ability. Whether physically he can handle it remains to be seen. But he’s definitely going to make things interesting there.”
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Post by nfld77 on Oct 16, 2022 10:48:27 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Aug 31, 2023 10:22:10 GMT -5
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Post by madmarx on Aug 31, 2023 15:49:10 GMT -5
We are way overdue for a Prospect to turn out since Pasta were due I swear . Never a fan of the handle Fabian though 🤷♂️
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Post by kjc2 on Aug 31, 2023 16:55:44 GMT -5
We are way overdue for a Prospect to turn out since Pasta were due I swear . Never a fan of the handle Fabian though 🤷♂️ All that stuff is from over a year ago and last year wasn’t very good for him but I have hope that he has the goods. Maybe Monty has to give him a long leash this year and allow him to make some mistakes as he grows into the job. The kid looked very average in his opening part of the year in Vancouver but turned into a star. He was the best player on the team half way through the season and carried the team to a first round upset. I think last summer between the WJC in Aug 2022, NHL training camp in September, Providence learning curve, back to WJC Dec22-Jan 23, the kid just had to be burnt out. This year will be his coming out party. 🤞
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Post by nfld77 on Aug 31, 2023 18:22:45 GMT -5
We are way overdue for a Prospect to turn out since Pasta were due I swear . Never a fan of the handle Fabian though 🤷♂️ All that stuff is from over a year ago and last year wasn’t very good for him but I have hope that he has the goods. Maybe Monty has to give him a long leash this year and allow him to make some mistakes as he grows into the job. The kid looked very average in his opening part of the year in Vancouver but turned into a star. He was the best player on the team half way through the season and carried the team to a first round upset. I think last summer between the WJC in Aug 2022, NHL training camp in September, Providence learning curve, back to WJC Dec22-Jan 23, the kid just had to be burnt out. This year will be his coming out party. 🤞 Yea, it was posted 18 mponths ago but alot of what you just said makes alot of sense..IF he makes the team, he needs room to make mistakes as you said and learn from them..Lots of 1st rd picks over the years have never panned out, Bruin fans know all about that, but Lysell should get a chance to prove his worth and same with Merkulov..I cant see Lohrei making team cause we have a lineup of Dmen under 1-way contracts so I highly doubt DS will bury either in the minors but you never know..Not even sure there's a spot for Zboril speaking of 1st rd picks..Gonna be a very interesting competition at camp in just a couple weeks and I hope a bunch of our kids tear it up!!
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Post by madmarx on Aug 31, 2023 19:58:25 GMT -5
Fabian is a Bum
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Post by orym on Sept 1, 2023 14:26:38 GMT -5
A total bum! He's a bust!
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Post by fforr on Sept 1, 2023 22:29:35 GMT -5
Well hopefully he has st least half the sack that PJ and Sergei Samsonov had.
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Post by offwego on Sept 17, 2023 20:05:51 GMT -5
I'm looking (hoping) to see him play in Buffalo Sept 26th. I will be in the keybank center cheering them on 👏👏
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Post by madmarx on Dec 18, 2023 10:06:53 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Dec 18, 2023 10:21:58 GMT -5
Wonder how many times Mougenel has told Lysell this.
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Post by crafar01 on Dec 18, 2023 10:26:22 GMT -5
Wonder how many times Mougenel has told Lysell this. Damn, that's some tough love there.
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Post by madmarx on Dec 18, 2023 10:35:13 GMT -5
Wonder how many times Mougenel has told Lysell this. Gonna guess way too many times the clock is ticking on his time here .
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Post by orym on Dec 18, 2023 12:44:04 GMT -5
Wonder how many times Mougenel has told Lysell this. How about that facial expression after the reporter says "progress"? That really says quite a bit to me! Seems like a player that is very on the outs!
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Post by SeaBass on Dec 18, 2023 13:14:39 GMT -5
Wonder how many times Mougenel has told Lysell this. How about that facial expression after the reporter says "progress"? That really says quite a bit to me! Seems like a player that is very on the outs! My thought was..."how the hell do I answer this?"
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Post by fforr on Dec 18, 2023 17:54:46 GMT -5
Wow Seny, Jake, Zboril and now Lysell all 1st rounders who didn’t pan out or wanted out. So much for all the character that Don looks for in his picks.
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Post by madmarx on Dec 18, 2023 18:09:26 GMT -5
Wow Seny, Jake, Zboril and now Lysell all 1st rounders who didn’t pan out or wanted out. So much for all the character that Don looks for in his picks. Seems like there scouting needs some work.
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Post by kjc2 on Dec 18, 2023 19:12:48 GMT -5
Wow Seny, Jake, Zboril and now Lysell all 1st rounders who didn’t pan out or wanted out. So much for all the character that Don looks for in his picks. I think Butch was tough on our young players and while he was a great coach he probably has a short shelf life. I think Seny was simply a bad pic for the first round. He could’ve been much better off to go later in the draft and have much lower expectations. Zboril most likely has a few scars from Butch but he’s had his share of untimely injuries that seemed to derail him when he appeared to be making progress. Debrusk had a tough time with Butch as well but this year there’s no excuses. His game is well rounded but he’s not snake bitten, he’s not getting to scoring areas enough. Last year he was put on our best line and he did work his ass off, this year he’s not moving his feet. If the Bruins offer him more than 4 million x 4 or 5 years they’re crazy. Lysell seems to rely on speed only and without smarts he’ll never make it. Maybe another bad pick but I hope he figures it out.
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Post by madmarx on Dec 18, 2023 19:54:43 GMT -5
Wow Seny, Jake, Zboril and now Lysell all 1st rounders who didn’t pan out or wanted out. So much for all the character that Don looks for in his picks. I think Butch was tough on our young players and while he was a great coach he probably has a short shelf life. I think Seny was simply a bad pic for the first round. He could’ve been much better off to go later in the draft and have much lower expectations. Zboril most likely has a few scars from Butch but he’s had his share of untimely injuries that seemed to derail him when he appeared to be making progress. Debrusk had a tough time with Butch as well but this year there’s no excuses. His game is well rounded but he’s not snake bitten, he’s not getting to scoring areas enough. Last year he was put on our best line and he did work his ass off, this year he’s not moving his feet. If the Bruins offer him more than 4 million x 4 or 5 years they’re crazy. Lysell seems to rely on speed only and without smarts he’ll never make it. Maybe another bad pick but I hope he figures it out. These Guys need only to look across the room and see a Guy who was a fourth line scrub and Captain today . I haven’t seen a Player come as far as Marchand has in his career based on guts and hard work.
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Post by SeaBass on Dec 18, 2023 20:24:33 GMT -5
I think they look like they have a long way to go. Then they plateau and can’t take that next step. Marchand should be talking to these kids.
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Post by madmarx on Dec 18, 2023 20:31:10 GMT -5
I think they look like they have a long way to go. Then they plateau and can’t take that next step. Marchand should be talking to these kids. I think the Off Season training Marchand did and sacrifices made were key , most aren’t as committed.
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Post by kjc2 on Dec 19, 2023 6:18:17 GMT -5
I think they look like they have a long way to go. Then they plateau and can’t take that next step. Marchand should be talking to these kids. I think the Off Season training Marchand did and sacrifices made were key , most aren’t as committed. Brad is definitely the exception to the rule. All these other guys were first rounders and maybe they somehow thought they had arrived and the work was over. Brad probably had a chip on his shoulder.. okay definitely had a chip. He’s a small third rounder that nobody expected to make it. Also having Bergeron as a line mate his whole career and working out with Sid a lot of summers had to be a great influence. Regardless of all that, he put in the work and that’s the fix for almost every problem.
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Post by madmarx on Dec 19, 2023 8:56:26 GMT -5
The Bruins have plenty of inspiring characters that have Played over the years why not hire one to Help the Yutes that need it . Z and Bergy would be great hires?
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Post by madmarx on Dec 19, 2023 10:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Dec 19, 2023 11:00:58 GMT -5
Lysell is still young so there is still a chance. Of course we said that about several others...
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Post by kjc2 on Dec 19, 2023 11:15:44 GMT -5
I didn’t think that was out of hand. He hit the blue line with speed while his line-mates were pretty much standing still at the line. There was a lane for a second to make a pass instead of his Euro dangle but easy for us to see from above. Pasta goes 1 on 4 all the time and it drives me crazy but if you score 60 goals in the NHL you get a free pass.
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Post by SeaBass on Dec 19, 2023 12:16:26 GMT -5
I didn’t think that was out of hand. He hit the blue line with speed while his line-mates were pretty much standing still at the line. There was a lane for a second to make a pass instead of his Euro dangle but easy for us to see from above. Pasta goes 1 on 4 all the time and it drives me crazy but if you score 60 goals in the NHL you get a free pass. I was just going to say the same thing. Every time Pasta does and or makes a stupid pass I get pissy. They he scores another goal and I forget about it for awhile.
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Post by madmarx on Dec 19, 2023 12:28:32 GMT -5
Pasta has brought a physical play this year , but the no look passes drive Me nuts .
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