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Post by bostonfanwest on Aug 29, 2017 16:36:14 GMT -5
Good on Marchand for practicing against the best, especially since he is such a competitive sob. I am sure that has helped him improve. I think it helps Sid a lot as well. Welcome bostonfanwest. thanks for the welcome
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Post by kjc2 on Aug 29, 2017 21:02:38 GMT -5
I love the Bruins but I'm no kool-aid drinker by any stretch. Poor JP Barry is not impressed because the number didn't go up with us buying UFA years. What the FUCKdoes UFA years mean anyway when you are looking for that kind of crazy money at 21 years old. What's he hoping for 12 million AAV when he reaches 26 or 27 years old on the next deal. Give me a fucking break. Maybe the NHL needs to implement NFL contract rules, if suck or get hurt, your gone, contract done. Rant over. I'm not blaming Pasta but his agent needs his head examined. Maybe he has an agenda against Sweeney, didn't he just not return Sweeney's calls when the Hamilton situation was playing out. I don't blame Pasta or his agent here. The Bruins offers are lowball compared to his market value in todays NHL. Here's my take, I think the only reason the market has allegedly gone up is based on one player and one GM. I don't count McDavid because he's the new face of the league and a generational talent. Draisaitl is a great player, he's a center and IMO better than Pasta. So not so frugal Pete Chiarelli overpays Draisaitl by at least 1 to 1.5 million and suddenly the agents are talking about a new market place. I think it takes a strong GM to say hold on here, not so fast.
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Post by bostonfanwest on Aug 29, 2017 23:52:36 GMT -5
I don't blame Pasta or his agent here. The Bruins offers are lowball compared to his market value in todays NHL. Here's my take, I think the only reason the market has allegedly gone up is based on one player and one GM. I don't count McDavid because he's the new face of the league and a generational talent. Draisaitl is a great player, he's a center and IMO better than Pasta. So not so frugal Pete Chiarelli overpays Draisaitl by at least 1 to 1.5 million and suddenly the agents are talking about a new market place. I think it takes a strong GM to say hold on here, not so fast. I do think Pete did overpay Draisaitl and as the closest comparable at this moment that is a win for the Pastrnak camp. I would hope the deal is going to come in at less than that but signing him to a 6 or 7 year deal at 6 mil is wishful thinking on the Bruins part. Pastrnak and Tarasenko numbers are pretty close their first 3 years (slight edge to Tarasenko but quite close) and Tarasenko got 7.5 per (8 year deal) but also that was 2 years ago and the prices tend to climb every year.
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Post by kjc2 on Aug 30, 2017 5:31:31 GMT -5
Here's my take, I think the only reason the market has allegedly gone up is based on one player and one GM. I don't count McDavid because he's the new face of the league and a generational talent. Draisaitl is a great player, he's a center and IMO better than Pasta. So not so frugal Pete Chiarelli overpays Draisaitl by at least 1 to 1.5 million and suddenly the agents are talking about a new market place. I think it takes a strong GM to say hold on here, not so fast. I do think Pete did overpay Draisaitl and as the closest comparable at this moment that is a win for the Pastrnak camp. I would hope the deal is going to come in at less than that but signing him to a 6 or 7 year deal at 6 mil is wishful thinking on the Bruins part. Pastrnak and Tarasenko numbers are pretty close their first 3 years (slight edge to Tarasenko but quite close) and Tarasenko got 7.5 per (8 year deal) but also that was 2 years ago and the prices tend to climb every year. Tarasenko is a good comparable numbers wise and it's hard to argue strictly from the numbers. I will say Tarasenko is a horse, their best player and a pure sniper but I'm sure that is irrelevant in the JP Barry camp. Maybe I'm struggling with it because Marchand just took six million last year and he is arguably our best forward. Either way I hope they get it done before camp, both sides are happy and still have some cap space going forward to build a contender.
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Post by offwego on Aug 30, 2017 5:56:35 GMT -5
I do think Pete did overpay Draisaitl and as the closest comparable at this moment that is a win for the Pastrnak camp. I would hope the deal is going to come in at less than that but signing him to a 6 or 7 year deal at 6 mil is wishful thinking on the Bruins part. Pastrnak and Tarasenko numbers are pretty close their first 3 years (slight edge to Tarasenko but quite close) and Tarasenko got 7.5 per (8 year deal) but also that was 2 years ago and the prices tend to climb every year. Tarasenko is a good comparable numbers wise and it's hard to argue strictly from the numbers. I will say Tarasenko is a horse, their best player and a pure sniper but I'm sure that is irrelevant in the JP Barry camp. Maybe I'm struggling with it because Marchand just took six million last year and he is arguably our best forward. Either way I hope they get it done before camp, both sides are happy and still have some cap space going forward to build a contender. That and pasta still making bonehead plays which I certainly hope he out grows and like seriously fuckin soon. I don't think I'm getting my bridge deal but would hate to see him get big money and he turns into a pumpkin that were stuck with. By the way welcome bostonfanwest. Fresh meat. 🍻
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Post by SeaBass on Aug 31, 2017 9:07:51 GMT -5
Probably pulled a groin....
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Post by SeaBass on Aug 31, 2017 9:09:13 GMT -5
Bergy the actor.
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 1, 2017 6:06:29 GMT -5
www.weei.com/blogs/ty-anderson/cam-neely-gives-discouraging-update-david-pastrnak-negotiationsI feel like Cam is kind of saying the same thing I've been saying the last couple days. With regards to the whole perceived Draisaitl market inflation. "but if it’s one player that you’re hanging your hat on then I don’t know if that’s a market shift. I don’t know if the market has really shifted as much as people think.”
I think what I hate the most and I can't prove this ..... is all the same old negotiating tactics that we seem to have to go through. "I'm not calling him, he can call me" or "the ball is in his court" or all the little sound bites leaked to the media. Nobody wants to appear weak and it'll take training camp as the next pressure point to get a deal done. It'll go one of two ways, eventually Pasta telling his agent to get it done so he can start the season on time or JP Barry convincing Pasta to hang in there because all the pressure of a successful start falls on Sweeney. If it goes beyond training camp I think the trade rumors will heat up big time.
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 1, 2017 7:06:59 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 1, 2017 7:07:52 GMT -5
Captains practices have begun
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 1, 2017 7:09:10 GMT -5
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Post by crafar01 on Sept 1, 2017 8:31:04 GMT -5
Tarasenko is a good comparable numbers wise and it's hard to argue strictly from the numbers. I will say Tarasenko is a horse, their best player and a pure sniper but I'm sure that is irrelevant in the JP Barry camp. Maybe I'm struggling with it because Marchand just took six million last year and he is arguably our best forward. Either way I hope they get it done before camp, both sides are happy and still have some cap space going forward to build a contender. That and pasta still making bonehead plays which I certainly hope he out grows and like seriously fuckin soon. I don't think I'm getting my bridge deal but would hate to see him get big money and he turns into a pumpkin that were stuck with. By the way welcome bostonfanwest. Fresh meat. 🍻 Marchand is 29 and still hasn't outgrown doing stupid shit and his generally cost him/us games due to suspensions...at least Pasta's stupid shit has only cost him a single 2 game suspension and a few goals against thus far, but the boy is young, give him time.
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Post by crafar01 on Sept 1, 2017 8:56:31 GMT -5
www.weei.com/blogs/ty-anderson/cam-neely-gives-discouraging-update-david-pastrnak-negotiationsI feel like Cam is kind of saying the same thing I've been saying the last couple days. With regards to the whole perceived Draisaitl market inflation. "but if it’s one player that you’re hanging your hat on then I don’t know if that’s a market shift. I don’t know if the market has really shifted as much as people think.”
I think what I hate the most and I can't prove this ..... is all the same old negotiating tactics that we seem to have to go through. "I'm not calling him, he can call me" or "the ball is in his court" or all the little sound bites leaked to the media. Nobody wants to appear weak and it'll take training camp as the next pressure point to get a deal done. It'll go one of two ways, eventually Pasta telling his agent to get it done so he can start the season on time or JP Barry convincing Pasta to hang in there because all the pressure of a successful start falls on Sweeney. If it goes beyond training camp I think the trade rumors will heat up big time. Regardless of what side of the argument one falls on, one thing is certain - this is going to get very acrimonious, very soon. Personally, I say give him $7-7.5M for 8 years and call it a day. This kid loves the game and, for now, loves playing in Boston. I think it is moronic to use Bergeron, or Marchand's salaries as a cap of sorts. I also find it aggravating watching DS hand out overpriced contracts to players like Backes (I've said it before, love the player, hate the price/term) over the last couple of years only to turn around and low ball yet another young talent. How long before the smear campaign starts? Next week we'll hear something about how Pasta preferred a white jock to the black and gold ones the rest of the team wears and that didn't sit well with the team leaders and management. Or whatever other silly fucking shit these jerk offs always seem come up with when there's a player that isn't falling in line. Or maybe that he was spotted partying out on Beiber's boat last week when he should have been sitting at home with his thumb up ass, his waiting for another half hearted offer from the assholes in management - he obviously isn't taking this seriously which show his lack of maturity and commitment to the team. I hope I am wrong and this thing gets done, but how many times have we watched this play out before? Too many times for my liking.
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Post by nfld77 on Sept 1, 2017 9:37:25 GMT -5
Sweeney has a meeting with JP and Pastrnak today..It'll be interesting to see what comes out of it..
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 1, 2017 9:46:28 GMT -5
www.weei.com/blogs/ty-anderson/cam-neely-gives-discouraging-update-david-pastrnak-negotiationsI feel like Cam is kind of saying the same thing I've been saying the last couple days. With regards to the whole perceived Draisaitl market inflation. "but if it’s one player that you’re hanging your hat on then I don’t know if that’s a market shift. I don’t know if the market has really shifted as much as people think.”
I think what I hate the most and I can't prove this ..... is all the same old negotiating tactics that we seem to have to go through. "I'm not calling him, he can call me" or "the ball is in his court" or all the little sound bites leaked to the media. Nobody wants to appear weak and it'll take training camp as the next pressure point to get a deal done. It'll go one of two ways, eventually Pasta telling his agent to get it done so he can start the season on time or JP Barry convincing Pasta to hang in there because all the pressure of a successful start falls on Sweeney. If it goes beyond training camp I think the trade rumors will heat up big time. Regardless of what side of the argument one falls on, one thing is certain - this is going to get very acrimonious, very soon. Personally, I say give him $7-7.5M for 8 years and call it a day. This kid loves the game and, for now, loves playing in Boston. I think it is moronic to use Bergeron, or Marchand's salaries as a cap of sorts. I also find it aggravating watching DS hand out overpriced contracts to players like Backes (I've said it before, love the player, hate the price/term) over the last couple of years only to turn around and low ball yet another young talent. How long before the smear campaign starts? Next week we'll hear something about how Pasta preferred a white jock to the black and gold ones the rest of the team wears and that didn't sit well with the team leaders and management. Or whatever other silly fucking shit these jerk offs always seem come up with when there's a player that isn't falling in line. Or maybe that he was spotted partying out on Beiber's boat last week when he should have been sitting at home with his thumb up ass, his waiting for another half hearted offer from the assholes in management - he obviously isn't taking this seriously which show his lack of maturity and commitment to the team. I hope I am wrong and this thing gets done, but how many times have we watched this play out before? Too many times for my liking. I agree that regardless of how much we give Pasta it's better than the wasted 6 million on Backes. The only reason I care is because guys like Carlo and McAvoy will be in line for new deals before we know it and we'll have to start trading away expensive good players before we become relevant again. Trading away expensive bad players won't be an option. (Backes, Beleskey etc.)
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 1, 2017 9:48:48 GMT -5
Sweeney has a meeting with JP and Pastrnak today..It'll be interesting to see what comes out of it.. Lets hope they make some progress.
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Post by KSJ08 on Sept 1, 2017 10:09:02 GMT -5
Sweeney has a meeting with JP and Pastrnak today..It'll be interesting to see what comes out of it.. Lets hope they make some progress. Talk to Pasta directly fuck the leach agent!!!!!!!!!!!! Pasta needs one of Bobby Orr's agents. JP isn't from his organization is he?
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Post by crafar01 on Sept 1, 2017 10:21:10 GMT -5
Regardless of what side of the argument one falls on, one thing is certain - this is going to get very acrimonious, very soon. Personally, I say give him $7-7.5M for 8 years and call it a day. This kid loves the game and, for now, loves playing in Boston. I think it is moronic to use Bergeron, or Marchand's salaries as a cap of sorts. I also find it aggravating watching DS hand out overpriced contracts to players like Backes (I've said it before, love the player, hate the price/term) over the last couple of years only to turn around and low ball yet another young talent. How long before the smear campaign starts? Next week we'll hear something about how Pasta preferred a white jock to the black and gold ones the rest of the team wears and that didn't sit well with the team leaders and management. Or whatever other silly fucking shit these jerk offs always seem come up with when there's a player that isn't falling in line. Or maybe that he was spotted partying out on Beiber's boat last week when he should have been sitting at home with his thumb up ass, his waiting for another half hearted offer from the assholes in management - he obviously isn't taking this seriously which show his lack of maturity and commitment to the team. I hope I am wrong and this thing gets done, but how many times have we watched this play out before? Too many times for my liking. I agree that regardless of how much we give Pasta it's better than the wasted 6 million on Backes. The only reason I care is because guys like Carlo and McAvoy will be in line for new deals before we know it and we'll have to start trading away expensive good players before we become relevant again. Trading away expensive bad players won't be an option. (Backes, Beleskey etc.) I hear ya...keeping all the talent that we seem to have stockpiled in the coming years is going to be difficult. But Pasta's contract will most likely have little to no bearing on what those guys will all command once their ELCs are up. This league is a copy cat league and even if we don't give Pasta Draisaitl money, some other dipshit GM is going to give one of his comparable players a contract in the same range and the floodgates will open. And unless I miss my guess, that will open things up for yet another lockout, which our illustrious, cheap skate prick of an owner will be leading the charge on. And so it will go - the more things change, the more they stay the same. Until management and owners across the board make a concerted effort to keep themselves in check, the cycle will continue. The problem is, that will never happen. I am, of course, being mostly facetious with the last bit about the lockout, but I have already heard some rumblings that it may be coming and contracts like this will be the reason why.
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Post by bostonfanwest on Sept 1, 2017 10:48:36 GMT -5
Surprised that Sean Kuraly is attending a prospect event. O'Gara to, seems like he has been a 'prospect' forever.
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Post by bostonfanwest on Sept 1, 2017 11:31:51 GMT -5
www.weei.com/blogs/ty-anderson/cam-neely-gives-discouraging-update-david-pastrnak-negotiationsI feel like Cam is kind of saying the same thing I've been saying the last couple days. With regards to the whole perceived Draisaitl market inflation. "but if it’s one player that you’re hanging your hat on then I don’t know if that’s a market shift. I don’t know if the market has really shifted as much as people think.”
I think what I hate the most and I can't prove this ..... is all the same old negotiating tactics that we seem to have to go through. "I'm not calling him, he can call me" or "the ball is in his court" or all the little sound bites leaked to the media. Nobody wants to appear weak and it'll take training camp as the next pressure point to get a deal done. It'll go one of two ways, eventually Pasta telling his agent to get it done so he can start the season on time or JP Barry convincing Pasta to hang in there because all the pressure of a successful start falls on Sweeney. If it goes beyond training camp I think the trade rumors will heat up big time. Regardless of what side of the argument one falls on, one thing is certain - this is going to get very acrimonious, very soon. Personally, I say give him $7-7.5M for 8 years and call it a day. This kid loves the game and, for now, loves playing in Boston. I think it is moronic to use Bergeron, or Marchand's salaries as a cap of sorts. I also find it aggravating watching DS hand out overpriced contracts to players like Backes (I've said it before, love the player, hate the price/term) over the last couple of years only to turn around and low ball yet another young talent. How long before the smear campaign starts? Next week we'll hear something about how Pasta preferred a white jock to the black and gold ones the rest of the team wears and that didn't sit well with the team leaders and management. Or whatever other silly fucking shit these jerk offs always seem come up with when there's a player that isn't falling in line. Or maybe that he was spotted partying out on Beiber's boat last week when he should have been sitting at home with his thumb up ass, his waiting for another half hearted offer from the assholes in management - he obviously isn't taking this seriously which show his lack of maturity and commitment to the team. I hope I am wrong and this thing gets done, but how many times have we watched this play out before? Too many times for my liking. Agree with a lot of this. This kind of shit has went on too many times with this organization. They set the stage for a rocky negotiation with a lowball offer and now they are talking to the media. Sometimes it feels like this regime has went back in time and I don't know why as these kinds of tactics haven't served them well in the past and certainly won't in the future. Be fair and get a reasonable deal done.
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 1, 2017 12:30:15 GMT -5
Regardless of what side of the argument one falls on, one thing is certain - this is going to get very acrimonious, very soon. Personally, I say give him $7-7.5M for 8 years and call it a day. This kid loves the game and, for now, loves playing in Boston. I think it is moronic to use Bergeron, or Marchand's salaries as a cap of sorts. I also find it aggravating watching DS hand out overpriced contracts to players like Backes (I've said it before, love the player, hate the price/term) over the last couple of years only to turn around and low ball yet another young talent. How long before the smear campaign starts? Next week we'll hear something about how Pasta preferred a white jock to the black and gold ones the rest of the team wears and that didn't sit well with the team leaders and management. Or whatever other silly fucking shit these jerk offs always seem come up with when there's a player that isn't falling in line. Or maybe that he was spotted partying out on Beiber's boat last week when he should have been sitting at home with his thumb up ass, his waiting for another half hearted offer from the assholes in management - he obviously isn't taking this seriously which show his lack of maturity and commitment to the team. I hope I am wrong and this thing gets done, but how many times have we watched this play out before? Too many times for my liking. Agree with a lot of this. This kind of shit has went on too many times with this organization. They set the stage for a rocky negotiation with a lowball offer and now they are talking to the media. Sometimes it feels like this regime has went back in time and I don't know why as these kinds of tactics haven't served them well in the past and certainly won't in the future. Be fair and get a reasonable deal done. Harry is still our illustrious Senior Advisor to the Owner. Maybe Sweeney is being force fed the Sinden playbook of negotiations.
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Post by KSJ08 on Sept 1, 2017 13:26:42 GMT -5
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Post by bostonfanwest on Sept 1, 2017 13:32:30 GMT -5
Agree with a lot of this. This kind of shit has went on too many times with this organization. They set the stage for a rocky negotiation with a lowball offer and now they are talking to the media. Sometimes it feels like this regime has went back in time and I don't know why as these kinds of tactics haven't served them well in the past and certainly won't in the future. Be fair and get a reasonable deal done. Harry is still our illustrious Senior Advisor to the Owner. Maybe Sweeney is being force fed the Sinden playbook of negotiations. very possible. It feels like Sinden's has influence again in a way that it didn't during the Chiarelli era.
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Post by KSJ08 on Sept 1, 2017 13:39:15 GMT -5
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 5, 2017 5:56:53 GMT -5
So, Haggerty is suggesting that JP Barry's asking price is Draisaitl money at 8.5 million AAV or 8 million AAV for Pastrnak. I like the star Bruin as much as the next guy but I would let him sit until Nov 30 and give him 1 day to decide his season before the December 1st deadline. Maybe I'm turning into Harry Sinden but I hate bullies (JP Barry), makes me want to dig my heels in even more.
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Post by DonnyBrook on Sept 5, 2017 6:49:00 GMT -5
that is redik money for pasta. how old is he? trade em to edmonton and see what he gets. oh sorry we used up all our money on two guys.....bullshit.
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 5, 2017 8:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 5, 2017 8:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by madmarx on Sept 5, 2017 8:46:27 GMT -5
So, Haggerty is suggesting that JP Barry's asking price is Draisaitl money at 8.5 million AAV or 8 million AAV for Pastrnak. I like the star Bruin as much as the next guy but I would let him sit until Nov 30 and give him 1 day to decide his season before the December 1st deadline. Maybe I'm turning into Harry Sinden but I hate bullies (JP Barry), makes me want to dig my heels in even more. We should start to see some movement with camp a few weeks away ,there is no way Pasta should get more than 10% cap money..
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Post by DonnyBrook on Sept 5, 2017 9:14:32 GMT -5
So, Haggerty is suggesting that JP Barry's asking price is Draisaitl money at 8.5 million AAV or 8 million AAV for Pastrnak. I like the star Bruin as much as the next guy but I would let him sit until Nov 30 and give him 1 day to decide his season before the December 1st deadline. Maybe I'm turning into Harry Sinden but I hate bullies (JP Barry), makes me want to dig my heels in even more. We should start to see some movement with camp a few weeks away ,there is no way Pasta should get more than 10% cap money.. i agree. give em 2 years at 6.5 and then show me what you can do. dont like it...go to the KHL. god, he's just 21 or so. i hate this. oh so and so makes this. well you are not so and so. and this isnt the edmonton oilers.
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