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Post by bostonfanwest on Sept 5, 2017 9:56:45 GMT -5
Interesting article now that hockey pool season is approaching. Vatrano scoring 30 is a really nice thought but I definitely take the under. Lindholm is quite a case though, 29 out of 34 assists being primary is a freak of nature and his assist total is due to rise sharply.
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Post by bostonfanwest on Sept 5, 2017 10:04:02 GMT -5
So, Haggerty is suggesting that JP Barry's asking price is Draisaitl money at 8.5 million AAV or 8 million AAV for Pastrnak. I like the star Bruin as much as the next guy but I would let him sit until Nov 30 and give him 1 day to decide his season before the December 1st deadline. Maybe I'm turning into Harry Sinden but I hate bullies (JP Barry), makes me want to dig my heels in even more. To be honest, if the initial ask is 8-8.5 on a 8 year deal that is not that bad. Should be able to talk him down some from the initial offer.
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Post by madmarx on Sept 5, 2017 12:45:33 GMT -5
David Backes on Pastrnak negotiation: "Whatever that # is [to get a deal] we should lock 'em in a room w/no food until they figure it out"
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 5, 2017 13:38:54 GMT -5
Maybe JP Barry bent Sweeney over so badly with the Dougie Hamilton situation that he figures why not try again.
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 5, 2017 13:47:14 GMT -5
Interesting article now that hockey pool season is approaching. Vatrano scoring 30 is a really nice thought but I definitely take the under. Lindholm is quite a case though, 29 out of 34 assists being primary is a freak of nature and his assist total is due to rise sharply. I'm not sure what Framkie V even is yet. I like him, he skates well, has a great shot but is he a LW or a RW? I think he might be good on Krejci's right side (maybe a vacancy) but to say he should be a mainstay on the second line is a reach. He has a high end shot though and I hope they find the right fit for him.
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 5, 2017 14:08:35 GMT -5
I think Gabrielle will be an NHL player for us but we have such a log jam of more experienced players in front of him. I think a full season in Providence will be great for him. If he was a RW maybe I'd give him a better chance.
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Post by bostonfanwest on Sept 5, 2017 15:43:41 GMT -5
Interesting article now that hockey pool season is approaching. Vatrano scoring 30 is a really nice thought but I definitely take the under. Lindholm is quite a case though, 29 out of 34 assists being primary is a freak of nature and his assist total is due to rise sharply. I'm not sure what Framkie V even is yet. I like him, he skates well, has a great shot but is he a LW or a RW? I think he might be good on Krejci's right side (maybe a vacancy) but to say he should be a mainstay on the second line is a reach. He has a high end shot though and I hope they find the right fit for him. Agree, he is a tough player to get a read on. I have always been skeptical of him as any sort of complete player but on the other hand he can really fire the puck, no doubt about that. Adding to the difficulty in assessing him is last year with all of his foot injuries. The Bruins appear to want to give him an opportunity to him and the young guys though since they have done absolutely nothing to add to the forward group. This will be a pivotal year for Frankie.
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Post by nfld77 on Sept 5, 2017 17:41:52 GMT -5
We should start to see some movement with camp a few weeks away ,there is no way Pasta should get more than 10% cap money.. i agree. give em 2 years at 6.5 and then show me what you can do. dont like it...go to the KHL. god, he's just 21 or so. i hate this. oh so and so makes this. well you are not so and so. and this isnt the edmonton oilers. Sorry Donny, have to disagree. I'm dead against a bridge deal for one and 6.5 million a year is longterm money, no way he gets that as a RFA and has his 3rd contract at the early age of 23 as he's only 21 now..But the biggest problem is: In 2 years, they have to deal with MacAvoy, Carlo, Bjork and JFK..There's no way they want to also negotiate with Pastrnak at the same time. Plus, Pastrnak said on several occasions he wants to sign longterm with boston. Offer him an 8 year 55-60 million dollar contract. That should make everyone happy, somewhere in the middle of Sweeney's supposed initial offer of 6/36 and what JP Barry wants for his agent, and that's something close to Draisaltl..But no way in hell is DS going all crazy-like and giving him anything close to 8.5 million a season. PC will be the main reason there will be a lockout in a couple years.
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 6, 2017 8:39:04 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 6, 2017 8:40:13 GMT -5
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 6, 2017 8:40:40 GMT -5
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Post by nfld77 on Sept 6, 2017 9:55:41 GMT -5
{Quote}If Bruins GM Don Sweeney were willing to push out to the eight-year max, the past practice around the league would project the annual payout to be above $6 million, perhaps middle ground between $6 million and the recent $8.5 million a year the Oilers recently gave Leon Draisaitl, who is also a 21-year-old forward/center. “They know our position on the current marketplace for elite young forwards,” wrote Barry, “and we will continue our negotiations again [Wednesday].” {end of quote} I think that is reasonable for an 8 year term. It's obvious now that 6 million wont cut it, especially if they keep using Draisaltl as a comparison. It's not really a good comparison considering he's a centre, had 2 good seasons and was Edmonton's best player during their postseason run. AND he's overpaid and every gm in the league knows it. When the lockout occurs in 2-3 years, PC will have a lot of fingers pointing at him and rightfully so. He continues to overpay players and by a wide margin. BUT if they can find a common ground between 6 and 8.5, let's say halfway at 7.25 million a season for the maximum 8 years, I think that will turn out to be a bargain in a few years cause I believe Pastrnak is the real deal. OR Sweeney can play hardball considering Pasta has little to no leverage besides the KHL and the team he would play for over there pays their players a maximum 3 million a year so he wont really be doing himself any favors there. If Sweeney was to stand up to Barry and his pushy pushy ways, and stick on [lets say} 6.5 million a season for 6,7 or 8 years, there's nothing Barry or anyone else can do besides an offer sheet and I don't think any team will risk doing that in fear of it coming back to haunt them. It wouldn't be a popular move with the Bruins fan base but I can understand that DS isn't Chirelli and he's not stupid enough to give a player like Draisaltl 8.5 million and what McDavid got is another story, I don't care if he is the best in the league. 10 million should be maximum deal.. Settle on 7.25 million a season longterm and I think most fans would be happy with that. As long as parties involved are.
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Post by bruinsnorth on Sept 6, 2017 10:02:47 GMT -5
If PC could have a do-over I wonder if he would have tried to sign Leon before re-upping with McDavid. He probably could have gotten Leon to take $6.5-7.0 on a long term deal before he inflated the market with that McDavid deal.Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 6, 2017 10:07:55 GMT -5
{Quote}If Bruins GM Don Sweeney were willing to push out to the eight-year max, the past practice around the league would project the annual payout to be above $6 million, perhaps middle ground between $6 million and the recent $8.5 million a year the Oilers recently gave Leon Draisaitl, who is also a 21-year-old forward/center. “They know our position on the current marketplace for elite young forwards,” wrote Barry, “and we will continue our negotiations again [Wednesday].” {end of quote} I think that is reasonable for an 8 year term. It's obvious now that 6 million wont cut it, especially if they keep using Draisaltl as a comparison. It's not really a good comparison considering he's a centre, had 2 good seasons and was Edmonton's best player during their postseason run. AND he's overpaid and every gm in the league knows it. When the lockout occurs in 2-3 years, PC will have a lot of fingers pointing at him and rightfully so. He continues to overpay players and by a wide margin. BUT if they can find a common ground between 6 and 8.5, let's say halfway at 7.25 million a season for the maximum 8 years, I think that will turn out to be a bargain in a few years cause I believe Pastrnak is the real deal. OR Sweeney can play hardball considering Pasta has little to no leverage besides the KHL and the team he would play for over there pays their players a maximum 3 million a year so he wont really be doing himself any favors there. If Sweeney was to stand up to Barry and his pushy pushy ways, and stick on [lets say} 6.5 million a season for 6,7 or 8 years, there's nothing Barry or anyone else can do besides an offer sheet and I don't think any team will risk doing that in fear of it coming back to haunt them. It wouldn't be a popular move with the Bruins fan base but I can understand that DS isn't Chirelli and he's not stupid enough to give a player like Draisaltl 8.5 million and what McDavid got is another story, I don't care if he is the best in the league. 10 million should be maximum deal.. Settle on 7.25 million a season longterm and I think most fans would be happy with that. As long as parties involved are. I can live with 7.25 million for eight years. Not sure the Bruins are willing, this looks like it could be getting ugly soon.
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 6, 2017 10:16:45 GMT -5
I think Sweeney is waiting for the start of training camp and then the season hoping that Pastrnak's youthful exuberance and impatience will tell JP Barry to get a fucking deal done.
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Post by madmarx on Sept 6, 2017 11:19:11 GMT -5
Gonna start the Pasta pool pick a date he gets signed.. I'm going with 27th of September..
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Post by nfld77 on Sept 6, 2017 11:39:37 GMT -5
I'll go with next Friday. Sept 15th I believe?
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 6, 2017 11:43:25 GMT -5
I'm going with Nov 29th but I don't want to be correct.
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Post by madmarx on Sept 6, 2017 13:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by fforr on Sept 6, 2017 14:53:49 GMT -5
Kind of feel bad for Pasta in a way. Do think he's a happy loyal Bruin who's done a lot for the organization. If not for Draisaitl he's signed by now. Think there's added pressure on him to try to solidify the marketplace which will benefit those after him.
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Post by orym on Sept 6, 2017 16:35:50 GMT -5
Gonna start the Pasta pool pick a date he gets signed.. I'm going with 27th of September.. Here is my guess (a little wishful thinking on the date)...8 year - 56 million. Signed on Friday, Sept. 8th.
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Post by bostonfanwest on Sept 6, 2017 21:53:49 GMT -5
If there is a positive it's that they are talking 8 years. They have the cap space to absorb the hit now, an eight year deal is the way to go.
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Post by bostonfanwest on Sept 6, 2017 22:00:35 GMT -5
If PC could have a do-over I wonder if he would have tried to sign Leon before re-upping with McDavid. He probably could have gotten Leon to take $6.5-7.0 on a long term deal before he inflated the market with that McDavid deal.Hindsight is 20/20 I guess. I'm not sure about that. My opinion is that the McDavid deal was fine. He is 20 and won the Hart, Lindsay and Art Ross and that blows any other free agent out of the water. I agree the next move for Draisiatl was an overpay and now we have the problem; Barry can't compare Pastrnak to McDavid but he can compare him to Draisaitl.
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Post by madmarx on Sept 7, 2017 7:37:58 GMT -5
Rookie camp starts today Sweeney will talk around 10:15 this morning..
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Post by SeaBass on Sept 7, 2017 7:44:36 GMT -5
Rookie camp starts today Sweeney will talk around 10:15 this morning.. e Hopefully he has something good to say.
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Post by crafar01 on Sept 7, 2017 7:49:43 GMT -5
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Post by madmarx on Sept 7, 2017 8:10:20 GMT -5
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Post by kjc2 on Sept 7, 2017 9:03:10 GMT -5
I wished for eternal youth too but one day Z is going to hit the ice and wonder why all these hockey players in their prime are skating circles around him. It's not because he's hurt, it's not because he's not in shape, it's because he got old over time and he comes to an abrupt realization that it's over. He's not there yet he's close I think.
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Post by madmarx on Sept 7, 2017 9:37:53 GMT -5
I wished for eternal youth too but one day Z is going to hit the ice and wonder why all these hockey players in their prime are skating circles around him. It's not because he's hurt, it's not because he's not in shape, it's because he got old over time and he comes to an abrupt realization that it's over. He's not there yet he's close I think. I would extend him on short term yearly basis, as long as he is willing not to break the bank .He would be a perfect role model for the youth going forward..
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Post by madmarx on Sept 7, 2017 9:41:35 GMT -5
Rookie camp starts today Sweeney will talk around 10:15 this morning.. e Hopefully he has something good to say. Don Sweeney said it's "status quo" in talks with Pastrnak's camp: "We just need to find a deal that works"
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