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Post by HockeyNightinDixie on Feb 18, 2012 8:51:15 GMT -5
krejci is - but was +68 over the previous 3 seasons. did he just forget how to play defense? Kelly is + this season but a -30 over the previous 3 seasons. did he suddenly learn? or might this season be more of a fluke that shouldn't be used alone as the baseline for a new contract?
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Post by fforr on Feb 18, 2012 9:47:41 GMT -5
krejci is - but was +68 over the previous 3 seasons. did he just forget how to play defense? Kelly is + this season but a -30 over the previous 3 seasons. did he suddenly learn? or might this season be more of a fluke that shouldn't be used alone as the baseline for a new contract? At this point someone will chime in that Kelly's poor numbers were due to poor Ottawa teams and Krejci's because of a good Bruins team. My point is that checking line centers are a dime a dozen and that I just don't think he's worth the money.We already have a similar player in Cambell and are well stocked at the center position in the system. Not to mention the fact that the Bergeron line is the true checking line and that Kelly's line is supposed to be a scoring line. Which is a big reason we're in this predicament.
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Post by blkngld on Feb 18, 2012 12:00:51 GMT -5
krejci is - but was +68 over the previous 3 seasons. did he just forget how to play defense? Kelly is + this season but a -30 over the previous 3 seasons. did he suddenly learn? or might this season be more of a fluke that shouldn't be used alone as the baseline for a new contract? At this point someone will chime in that Kelly's poor numbers were due to poor Ottawa teams and Krejci's because of a good Bruins team. My point is that checking line centers are a dime a dozen and that I just don't think he's worth the money.We already have a similar player in Cambell and are well stocked at the center position in the system. Not to mention the fact that the Bergeron line is the true checking line and that Kelly's line is supposed to be a scoring line. Which is a big reason we're in this predicament. what? im confused. When did Bergeron's line become the checking line? that was so 2009 Seriously though Kelly used to play on a strong 3rd line with Peverley and Pouliot but with the injuries he's been playing with the rooks and 4th line mix. Kelly is a solid 2 way center who is the kind of talent that gives a lineup depth. Bergeron on the other hand is an elite talent that is now back to being a very good offensive talent as well as an elite checking forward. He plays top minutes against the leagues best not because he is a def specialist but because he is arguably the best Boston forward comparable to a Staal, Richards, Zetterberg. I think I understand your point that they shouldn't over pay for bottom six forwards but IMO Kelly is an exception and is a huge reason why they were able to win the CUP. I think he's far more valuable than Peverley and tbh was surprised they locked up Pevs before Kelly.
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Post by eddy on Feb 18, 2012 12:04:08 GMT -5
krejci is - but was +68 over the previous 3 seasons. did he just forget how to play defense? Kelly is + this season but a -30 over the previous 3 seasons. did he suddenly learn? or might this season be more of a fluke that shouldn't be used alone as the baseline for a new contract? At this point someone will chime in that Kelly's poor numbers were due to poor Ottawa teams and Krejci's because of a good Bruins team. My point is that checking line centers are a dime a dozen and that I just don't think he's worth the money.We already have a similar player in Cambell and are well stocked at the center position in the system. Not to mention the fact that the Bergeron line is the true checking line and that Kelly's line is supposed to be a scoring line. Which is a big reason we're in this predicament. Campbell plays a good game but he's not as good as Kelly. It's the difference between a 4th line center and a 3rd line center. And yes, that's exactly the reason you directly can't compare +/- between players on different teams. Two players, same team - compare. Kelly is near the top, Krejci is near the bottom (and was on the ice for two of the Peggers goals last night while scoring one). The point is that when Krejci isn't scoring (and he hasn't been this year), he's more often than not a net negative in the lineup.
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Post by eddy on Feb 18, 2012 12:05:09 GMT -5
At this point someone will chime in that Kelly's poor numbers were due to poor Ottawa teams and Krejci's because of a good Bruins team. My point is that checking line centers are a dime a dozen and that I just don't think he's worth the money.We already have a similar player in Cambell and are well stocked at the center position in the system. Not to mention the fact that the Bergeron line is the true checking line and that Kelly's line is supposed to be a scoring line. Which is a big reason we're in this predicament. what? im confused. When did Bergeron's line become the checking line? that was so 2009 Seriously though Kelly used to play on a strong 3rd line with Peverley and Pouliot but with the injuries he's been playing with the rooks and 4th line mix. Kelly is a solid 2 way center who is the kind of talent that gives a lineup depth. Bergeron on the other hand is an elite talent that is now back to being a very good offensive talent as well as an elite checking forward. He plays top minutes against the leagues best not because he is a def specialist but because he is arguably the best Boston forward comparable to a Staal, Richards, Zetterberg. I think I understand your point that they shouldn't over pay for bottom six forwards but IMO Kelly is an exception and is a huge reason why they were able to win the CUP. I think he's far more valuable than Peverley and tbh was surprised they locked up Pevs before Kelly. well said.
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Post by HockeyNightinDixie on Feb 18, 2012 13:07:18 GMT -5
krejci is - but was +68 over the previous 3 seasons. did he just forget how to play defense? Kelly is + this season but a -30 over the previous 3 seasons. did he suddenly learn? or might this season be more of a fluke that shouldn't be used alone as the baseline for a new contract? At this point someone will chime in that Kelly's poor numbers were due to poor Ottawa teams and Krejci's because of a good Bruins team. My point is that checking line centers are a dime a dozen and that I just don't think he's worth the money.We already have a similar player in Cambell and are well stocked at the center position in the system. Not to mention the fact that the Bergeron line is the true checking line and that Kelly's line is supposed to be a scoring line. Which is a big reason we're in this predicament. okay, let's compare team rankings: krejci was 1st on the team in 08-09, 4th in 09-10 (2nd among forwards), and 6th last season (4th among forwards). in 08-09, kelly was 20th in ottawa (12th among forwards), and 25th in 09-10 (17th among forwards). I won't do last season because he split time between ottawa and boston.
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Post by kjc2 on Feb 18, 2012 19:14:08 GMT -5
The weird thing that I notice is Lucic/Krejci/Horton are approximately all on pace to put up the same goals, assists and points as last season. (Taking Horton's injury into account of course) With those numbers the same they are also on pace to be approximately a minus -25 each less than last year.
What has changed?? What would account for the laxed defensive play? I don't get it ;D
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Post by madmarx on Feb 18, 2012 19:54:48 GMT -5
The weird thing that I notice is Lucic/Krejci/Horton are approximately all on pace to put up the same goals, assists and points as last season. (Taking Horton's injury into account of course) With those numbers the same they are also on pace to be approximately a minus -25 each less than last year. What has changed?? What would account for the laxed defensive play? I don't get it ;D The way teams adjust to play against and force them to play more in there own end ..
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Post by kjc2 on Feb 18, 2012 20:21:44 GMT -5
The weird thing that I notice is Lucic/Krejci/Horton are approximately all on pace to put up the same goals, assists and points as last season. (Taking Horton's injury into account of course) With those numbers the same they are also on pace to be approximately a minus -25 each less than last year. What has changed?? What would account for the laxed defensive play? I don't get it ;D The way teams adjust to play against and force them to play more in there own end .. or............. are 1 or 2 of the guys cheating in the defensive zone?
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Post by madmarx on Feb 18, 2012 20:28:21 GMT -5
The way teams adjust to play against and force them to play more in there own end .. or............. are 1 or 2 of the guys cheating in the defensive zone? Could be, but when you are dominant a line as they were in the post season teams adjust ..
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Post by eddy on Feb 19, 2012 5:16:18 GMT -5
Well it's one or the other but the fact remains that they haven't adjusted their play yet. I can understand if this were just an October-November thing but this has dragged on all season.
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Post by eddy on Feb 19, 2012 5:21:27 GMT -5
At this point someone will chime in that Kelly's poor numbers were due to poor Ottawa teams and Krejci's because of a good Bruins team. My point is that checking line centers are a dime a dozen and that I just don't think he's worth the money.We already have a similar player in Cambell and are well stocked at the center position in the system. Not to mention the fact that the Bergeron line is the true checking line and that Kelly's line is supposed to be a scoring line. Which is a big reason we're in this predicament. okay, let's compare team rankings: krejci was 1st on the team in 08-09, 4th in 09-10 (2nd among forwards), and 6th last season (4th among forwards). in 08-09, kelly was 20th in ottawa (12th among forwards), and 25th in 09-10 (17th among forwards). I won't do last season because he split time between ottawa and boston. And yet on the same team in the same year, one is at the top and the other is at the bottom.
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Post by DonnyBrook on Feb 19, 2012 13:51:55 GMT -5
I just posted from a kindle fire go bruins No app
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Post by Peejay on Feb 26, 2012 13:27:41 GMT -5
Jimmy Murphy - "Bruins have sent Andrew Bodnarchuk and Josh Hennessy down to Providence."
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Post by blkngld on Feb 26, 2012 13:36:28 GMT -5
Jimmy Murphy - "Bruins have sent Andrew Bodnarchuk and Josh Hennessy down to Providence." ro-roh......someone coming on board? Johnny Oduya maybe?
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Post by Peejay on Feb 27, 2012 9:40:25 GMT -5
Jimmy Murphy - "Bruins have recalled Andrew Bodnarchuk and Max Sauve.....that could be biggest news they make today."
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Post by SeaBass on Feb 27, 2012 9:41:44 GMT -5
First ever call up for Rico Suave
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Post by SeaBass on Feb 27, 2012 9:43:38 GMT -5
Jimmy Murphy - "Bruins have recalled Andrew Bodnarchuk and Max Sauve.....that could be biggest news they make today." They probably thought they were traded when the phone rang.
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Post by capecodder on Feb 27, 2012 10:42:28 GMT -5
With the game tomorrow against the Sens and the fact it might get very physical I hope we get someone with some grit.
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Post by Losing my mind on Feb 27, 2012 15:01:45 GMT -5
Brian Rolston to Bruins
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Post by Peejay on Feb 27, 2012 17:02:22 GMT -5
"To make space for Mottau, Rolston, Zanon, the Bruins returned Camper, Sauve and Bodnarchuk to Providence."
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Post by Mr. Poon on Feb 27, 2012 18:05:28 GMT -5
"To make space for Mottau, Rolston, Zanon, the Bruins returned Camper, Sauve and Bodnarchuk to Providence." Excellent.
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Post by crafar01 on Feb 28, 2012 8:21:33 GMT -5
I'm not too upset with yesterday's acquisitions. PC didn't give up any roster players, picks, or name prospects and got us a bit of depth to help a bit with injuries and going into the playoffs. And given the premium that some GMs were asking and got for some pretty average role players, I think PC did the right thing given the players available.
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Post by capecodder on Feb 28, 2012 8:44:20 GMT -5
I wish he added another tough guy. Got some games where a fourth line tough guy could be huge. Thorts may get injured and then it falls to Looch and and Z. Scott picked up by the rangers may be huge for them. Wasn't expecting a Nash type move but the way this teams been playing i was hoping for some grit. Tonights game may be physical and I'm curious to see if this team responds. More and more teams are playing the b's physical and they haven't responded.
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Post by Peejay on Feb 28, 2012 10:26:01 GMT -5
Bruins have recalled Max Sauve on an emergency basis. He will skate with the team this morning and be available tonight
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Post by kjc2 on Feb 28, 2012 11:48:38 GMT -5
Bruins have recalled Max Sauve on an emergency basis. He will skate with the team this morning and be available tonight I hope he gets a look. Maybe Rolston is is not available?
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Post by eddy on Feb 28, 2012 11:54:46 GMT -5
Bruins have recalled Max Sauve on an emergency basis. He will skate with the team this morning and be available tonight I hope he gets a look. Maybe Rolston is is not available? I think he's only in if Thornton can't go per this mornings lines.
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Post by SeaBass on Feb 28, 2012 11:57:40 GMT -5
Zanon just got to Boston. He won't play tonight. Julien says he wants to give him a chance to skate with team first
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Post by SeaBass on Feb 28, 2012 11:57:53 GMT -5
Rolston says he actually learned of trade from Sportsnet who called him to ask about it.
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Post by bruinsnorth on Feb 28, 2012 15:43:32 GMT -5
I guess garth Snow is still learning how to be a GM.
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