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Post by eddy on Feb 16, 2012 16:56:50 GMT -5
The Good news is no Jail Time for Marchand , Bad News is Marchand scratches His Ass it will be reviewed.. yep.
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Post by blkngld on Feb 16, 2012 18:14:15 GMT -5
It's not just Boston players that are out because of questionable hits - it happens to every other team in the league. The Bruins play on the edge and cross over it more than you'd like to think. Just ask a Sabres (or Habs) fan what he thinks of Lucic, or what a Habs fan thinks of Chara, or what a Canucks fan thinks of Marchand, or what a Stars fan thinks of Paille, or what Rangers fans think of Ference. When you play physical, sometimes you cross the line and sometimes have to take your lumps. I think what donny was trying to say was that why is it when its the Bruins on the receiving end of these bad/dirty hits that there doesn't seem to be the same outcry by the media and punishment to the offending player. IMO intent is hard to judge because when you are lining someone up for a hit there is already intent is to knock them off the puck what happens during the collision isn't premeditated its impossible to know exactly whats going to happen when trying to hit a moving target. With that said an attempt to hit someone from a blind side so they have no chance of seeing you coming is predatory and its why I thought that language in the rule was warranted. Marchand going low on Salo may not have been nice but it was not a blindside predatory attack. Same with him throwing his hip into Emelin's legs last game. You don't have to like it but it wasn't from behind or to an unaware opponent. The Chara hit on Pac was a bad hit and he got hurt but it wasn't a predatory intent to injure. That injury was caused by the improper safety of the arena not the hit itself. They are trying to now save the players from themselves instead of letting the players police themselves and its ridicules. Throw in really bad officiating who IMO are obviously just as confused as the players as to how the game should be called and what you end up with is what we have now. Every hit is under the microscope and its no doubt effecting a lot of players and even the refs. I think the original intent to rid the league of the Matt Cookes was well intended just poorly implemented.
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Post by blkngld on Feb 16, 2012 18:15:06 GMT -5
sorry for the wall of text.. just had a double shot espresso..
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Post by capecodder on Feb 16, 2012 18:46:15 GMT -5
sorry for the wall of text.. just had a double shot espresso.. lmao
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Post by eddy on Feb 16, 2012 19:07:17 GMT -5
sorry for the wall of text.. just had a double shot espresso.. No need to apologize.
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Post by Peejay on Feb 16, 2012 21:44:17 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie - "After signing Boychuk to extension this week, BOS has made contract ext offers to Kelly, Thornton, Campbell and Paille, all UFAs July 1."
So apparently PC just wants this team to stay as is.
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Post by bruinsnorth on Feb 16, 2012 22:30:13 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie - "After signing Boychuk to extension this week, BOS has made contract ext offers to Kelly, Thornton, Campbell and Paille, all UFAs July 1." So apparently PC just wants this team to stay as is. Does this mean that PC is going to clear the cupboard of some of the higher end prospects if he's looking to lock up these guys? Personally I would not resign Kelly. Let Spooner or Knight fight for that 3rd line job next year and put Peverly on that line as the pivot. Campbell and Thorton should be brought back but don't break the bank to do it.
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Post by fforr on Feb 16, 2012 23:41:49 GMT -5
Doubt it. Would let Cambell and Kelly walk. Sign Thornton and Paille. Think Knight is more of a wing, Peverley a center not to mention Seguin.
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Post by eddy on Feb 17, 2012 5:20:33 GMT -5
Bob McKenzie - "After signing Boychuk to extension this week, BOS has made contract ext offers to Kelly, Thornton, Campbell and Paille, all UFAs July 1." So apparently PC just wants this team to stay as is. Does this mean that PC is going to clear the cupboard of some of the higher end prospects if he's looking to lock up these guys? Personally I would not resign Kelly. Let Spooner or Knight fight for that 3rd line job next year and put Peverly on that line as the pivot. Campbell and Thorton should be brought back but don't break the bank to do it. I wouldn't overpay for Kelly having a career year but he's a guy that should be back in the mix. Knight or Spooner can fight for Pouliot's spot.
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Post by kjc2 on Feb 17, 2012 6:14:18 GMT -5
Does this mean that PC is going to clear the cupboard of some of the higher end prospects if he's looking to lock up these guys? Personally I would not resign Kelly. Let Spooner or Knight fight for that 3rd line job next year and put Peverly on that line as the pivot. Campbell and Thorton should be brought back but don't break the bank to do it. I wouldn't overpay for Kelly having a career year but he's a guy that should be back in the mix. Knight or Spooner can fight for Pouliot's spot. This, Spooner and Knight could use a year in the AHL but if either wins a job that's great too.
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Post by DonnyBrook on Feb 17, 2012 6:50:25 GMT -5
It's not just Boston players that are out because of questionable hits - it happens to every other team in the league. The Bruins play on the edge and cross over it more than you'd like to think. Just ask a Sabres (or Habs) fan what he thinks of Lucic, or what a Habs fan thinks of Chara, or what a Canucks fan thinks of Marchand, or what a Stars fan thinks of Paille, or what Rangers fans think of Ference. When you play physical, sometimes you cross the line and sometimes have to take your lumps. I think what donny was trying to say was that why is it when its the Bruins on the receiving end of these bad/dirty hits that there doesn't seem to be the same outcry by the media and punishment to the offending player. IMO intent is hard to judge because when you are lining someone up for a hit there is already intent is to knock them off the puck what happens during the collision isn't premeditated its impossible to know exactly whats going to happen when trying to hit a moving target. With that said an attempt to hit someone from a blind side so they have no chance of seeing you coming is predatory and its why I thought that language in the rule was warranted. Marchand going low on Salo may not have been nice but it was not a blindside predatory attack. Same with him throwing his hip into Emelin's legs last game. You don't have to like it but it wasn't from behind or to an unaware opponent. The Chara hit on Pac was a bad hit and he got hurt but it wasn't a predatory intent to injure. That injury was caused by the improper safety of the arena not the hit itself. They are trying to now save the players from themselves instead of letting the players police themselves and its ridicules. Throw in really bad officiating who IMO are obviously just as confused as the players as to how the game should be called and what you end up with is what we have now. Every hit is under the microscope and its no doubt effecting a lot of players and even the refs. I think the original intent to rid the league of the Matt Cookes was well intended just poorly implemented. right. exactly. and i hope that marchand and lucic dont change anything. and to think that paille and ference are like anyone on teh flyers.? and the montreal fans cheer when someone gets hit in teh head with a puck.
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Post by eddy on Feb 17, 2012 9:20:44 GMT -5
There actually was a lot of outcry from the media when Savard got hit. So much so the NHL adopted a rule mid season.
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Post by eddy on Feb 17, 2012 9:30:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't overpay for Kelly having a career year but he's a guy that should be back in the mix. Knight or Spooner can fight for Pouliot's spot. This, Spooner and Knight could use a year in the AHL but if either wins a job that's great too. Both are doing well in the OHL this year and a year can do wonders so we'll see what happens but I wouldn't be surprised if they're both in Providence to start next season. Basically the Bs would have nearly a full slate of forwards (assuming Horton's back to full health) and spots as the 13th forward and maybe 3rd line winger. As of today, I have to give the nod to Caron over other kids simply because he's had more time with the big club but he could easily be knocked down a peg or out of the lineup if a rookie is hungry enough. Of course if Pouliot is back all bets are off, but seeing as how he's been less of a priority for PC, I'm not certain he will be. Lucic-Krejci-Horton Marchand-Bergeron-Lucic Peverly-Kelly-Caron (?) Paille-Campbell-Thornton 13th forward: ?
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Post by DonnyBrook on Feb 17, 2012 9:31:13 GMT -5
There actually was a lot of outcry from the media when Savard got hit. So much so the NHL adopted a rule mid season. which makes it even stranger that the horton hit vs teh flyers went unpunished. there i go again bringing that up.
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Post by KSJ08 on Feb 17, 2012 9:36:01 GMT -5
Doubt it. Would let Cambell and Kelly walk. Sign Thornton and Paille. Think Knight is more of a wing, Peverley a center not to mention Seguin. I'd keep Soupy he's a good Bruin 4th liner & PK'er Plus it's good to have him W/his dad's contacts IF you believe Scab, Canucklehead fans
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Post by DonnyBrook on Feb 17, 2012 10:03:33 GMT -5
Doubt it. Would let Cambell and Kelly walk. Sign Thornton and Paille. Think Knight is more of a wing, Peverley a center not to mention Seguin. let cambell and kelly walk? why on earth? they are the bruins best character role guys.
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Post by eddy on Feb 17, 2012 10:04:28 GMT -5
There actually was a lot of outcry from the media when Savard got hit. So much so the NHL adopted a rule mid season. which makes it even stranger that the horton hit vs teh flyers went unpunished. there i go again bringing that up. Sestito's hit IMO was borderline and not anywhere near as bad as Cooke on Savard. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
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Post by DonnyBrook on Feb 17, 2012 10:10:44 GMT -5
which makes it even stranger that the horton hit vs teh flyers went unpunished. there i go again bringing that up. Sestito's hit IMO was borderline and not anywhere near as bad as Cooke on Savard. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. give sesito time.....he will get on shanny's list. i saw him run a ranger or someone on an nbc game last week.
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Post by eddy on Feb 17, 2012 10:32:53 GMT -5
Sestito's hit IMO was borderline and not anywhere near as bad as Cooke on Savard. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. give sesito time.....he will get on shanny's list. i saw him run a ranger or someone on an nbc game last week. I'm not disagreeing. He runs around and hits high fairly often. I just think that particular hit was borderline but the more he does it, the more he gets a name for himself and sadly that's what leads to suspensions more than anything.
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Post by bruinsnorth on Feb 17, 2012 10:38:02 GMT -5
This, Spooner and Knight could use a year in the AHL but if either wins a job that's great too. Both are doing well in the OHL this year and a year can do wonders so we'll see what happens but I wouldn't be surprised if they're both in Providence to start next season. Basically the Bs would have nearly a full slate of forwards (assuming Horton's back to full health) and spots as the 13th forward and maybe 3rd line winger. As of today, I have to give the nod to Caron over other kids simply because he's had more time with the big club but he could easily be knocked down a peg or out of the lineup if a rookie is hungry enough. Of course if Pouliot is back all bets are off, but seeing as how he's been less of a priority for PC, I'm not certain he will be. Lucic-Krejci-Horton Marchand-Bergeron-Lucic Peverly-Kelly-Caron (?) Paille-Campbell-Thornton 13th forward: ? Looch on 2 lines? ....thats getting your moneys worth. just bustin yer balls there buddy
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Post by fforr on Feb 17, 2012 10:41:57 GMT -5
Doubt it. Would let Cambell and Kelly walk. Sign Thornton and Paille. Think Knight is more of a wing, Peverley a center not to mention Seguin. let cambell and kelly walk? why on earth? they are the bruins best character role guys. Yeh good character guys and all but Kelly will be 32 and already makes over 2 mill. If Boychuck got 3.3......Kelly doesn't hit or score enough for that kind of money, also want to see Seguin in the middle as soon as possible. Cambell made 1.1 so he would be getting maybe 1.5 or so. Gritty yes but really not a threat to score . Don't want to see them locked up for another 2 or 3 years.
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Post by eddy on Feb 17, 2012 10:46:38 GMT -5
Both are doing well in the OHL this year and a year can do wonders so we'll see what happens but I wouldn't be surprised if they're both in Providence to start next season. Basically the Bs would have nearly a full slate of forwards (assuming Horton's back to full health) and spots as the 13th forward and maybe 3rd line winger. As of today, I have to give the nod to Caron over other kids simply because he's had more time with the big club but he could easily be knocked down a peg or out of the lineup if a rookie is hungry enough. Of course if Pouliot is back all bets are off, but seeing as how he's been less of a priority for PC, I'm not certain he will be. Lucic-Krejci-Horton Marchand-Bergeron-Lucic Peverly-Kelly-Caron (?) Paille-Campbell-Thornton 13th forward: ? Looch on 2 lines? ....thats getting your moneys worth. just bustin yer balls there buddy yeah, it was early. I meant to write Seguin.
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Post by DonnyBrook on Feb 17, 2012 10:48:22 GMT -5
let cambell and kelly walk? why on earth? they are the bruins best character role guys. Yeh good character guys and all but Kelly will be 32 and already makes over 2 mill. If Boychuck got 3.3......Kelly doesn't hit or score enough for that kind of money, also want to see Seguin in the middle as soon as possible. Cambell made 1.1 so he would be getting maybe 1.5 or so. Gritty yes but really not a threat to score . Don't want to see them locked up for another 2 or 3 years. i guess i think they are worth more ;D
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Post by fforr on Feb 17, 2012 11:01:58 GMT -5
Yeh good character guys and all but Kelly will be 32 and already makes over 2 mill. If Boychuck got 3.3......Kelly doesn't hit or score enough for that kind of money, also want to see Seguin in the middle as soon as possible. Cambell made 1.1 so he would be getting maybe 1.5 or so. Gritty yes but really not a threat to score . Don't want to see them locked up for another 2 or 3 years. i guess i think they are worth more ;D Think these guys are best when it comes to protecting te lead, not necessarily in actually getting or extending the lead. Think PC has a mancrush on Kelly so if the extension reports are true then chances are they'll all be back.
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Post by DonnyBrook on Feb 17, 2012 11:06:42 GMT -5
i guess i think they are worth more ;D Think these guys are best when it comes to protecting te lead, not necessarily in actually getting or extending the lead. Think PC has a mancrush on Kelly so if the extension reports are true then chances are they'll all be back. he is an assistant captain on a team he joined last year. that says something to me. it would help if the defense could chip in with more goals
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Post by eddy on Feb 17, 2012 13:47:42 GMT -5
i guess i think they are worth more ;D Think these guys are best when it comes to protecting te lead, not necessarily in actually getting or extending the lead. Think PC has a mancrush on Kelly so if the extension reports are true then chances are they'll all be back. I'd rather have a guy that can protect a lead than a guy who can score but is one the ice more often than not when goals are score against him. One of the best +/- ratings in the league at +22, vs. -6 for David "cough it up" Krejci. And it's not like Kelly can't score either. He's good for about 15 goals a year. For a third liner that plays under 15 minutes a night, that's fantastic. No kid coming out of junior save Sid Crosby part 2 is going to come anywhere close to that level of offense and defensive awareness. Lose the cohesiveness of the 3rd liners and this team won't fare so well next year.
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Post by eddy on Feb 17, 2012 13:52:17 GMT -5
Oh and Peverly out 4-6 weeks - pretty much forces Chiarelli's hand to make a trade.
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Post by madmarx on Feb 17, 2012 19:08:40 GMT -5
Oh and Peverly out 4-6 weeks - pretty much forces Chiarelli's hand to make a trade. We have been very lucky injury wise this Year aside from Horton, i really think this team has hit the wall and Chara`s play of late shows it ..This team has played a lot of Hockey in the last year and a half , most of it the hard way ..
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Post by fforr on Feb 17, 2012 22:48:13 GMT -5
Think these guys are best when it comes to protecting te lead, not necessarily in actually getting or extending the lead. Think PC has a mancrush on Kelly so if the extension reports are true then chances are they'll all be back. I'd rather have a guy that can protect a lead than a guy who can score but is one the ice more often than not when goals are score against him. One of the best +/- ratings in the league at +22, vs. -6 for David "cough it up" Krejci. And it's not like Kelly can't score either. He's good for about 15 goals a year. For a third liner that plays under 15 minutes a night, that's fantastic. No kid coming out of junior save Sid Crosby part 2 is going to come anywhere close to that level of offense and defensive awareness. Lose the cohesiveness of the 3rd liners and this team won't fare so well next year. Anybody at this level knows how to play defense and protect leads. I'd rather not have to pay him upwards of 3mill or so for 2/3 more years for 30 or so points and to just get in the way of people , that's all. You'll get your wish, he'll be resigned.
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Post by eddy on Feb 18, 2012 4:45:38 GMT -5
If everybody knew how to protect leads you wouldn't have guys that always seem to be on the ice when the bruins blow it (Krejci). Rookies might know it too but none of them have played the game at NHL speed. You simply can't replace 15 goals, +20 with any tom dick or Harry and expect similar results. It ain't gonna happen.
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