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Post by madmarx on Jan 23, 2019 9:02:58 GMT -5
Bobby Mac figures 12.5 at least for Matthews 👀
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Post by DonnyBrook on Jan 23, 2019 9:07:45 GMT -5
Bobby Mac figures 12.5 at least for Matthews 👀 leafs...welcome to blackhawkville.
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Post by kjc2 on Jan 23, 2019 9:21:09 GMT -5
You got to win games and have success or you're done. The Oilers are in such a hole it's going to take awhile to climb out. Not sure how you fix that mess anytime soon.. It's funny how Leaf fans and hockey fans in general say they should trade a high end forward (Nylander) for a top D-man. That's exactly what Chiarelli was trying to do. Sadly he traded Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson who was a high draft pick, a great prospect but hasn't shown any of that in the NHL. So Hall replaced by Lucic plus you add Larsson, on paper at the time it didn't look horrible. It quickly went to crap because Lucic can't keep up anymore and Larsson hasn't evolved. Emberle for Strome and then to Spooner.... just horrible. Add to that Pete still hands out the huge contracts to everybody, such a nice guy.
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Post by orym on Jan 23, 2019 11:57:22 GMT -5
I am still trying to wrap my head around the Koskinen deal that Chia just handed out. Was he trying to get fired? Seriously. Chia had one year left on his deal and it just screams to me like he was trying to get run right out of town and escape the Oilers. You are having an average to below average season and halfway through it you anoint Koskinen your "new starting goalie" with a 3 year deal, basically telling Talbot he is done here but still on the roster to ride out the "playoff push". Koskinen has been far from lighting it up from what I have seen. Now Koskinen gives up a weak as shit goal last night (third goal that turns out to be the game winner) and now you have to perhaps turn back to Talbot to try to win you the odd game if Koskinen continues to let in bad goals at bad times.
I am just a bit perplexed over his final few days as GM.
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Post by SeaBass on Jan 23, 2019 12:12:15 GMT -5
Too bad we couldn’t have fleeced Chia before he got the boot.
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Post by orym on Jan 23, 2019 14:00:16 GMT -5
Too bad we couldn’t have fleeced Chia before he got the boot. I believe a few of us were talking about this a month or two ago! Maybe someone in the division can hire him and we will get another shot
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Post by madmarx on Jan 23, 2019 16:25:15 GMT -5
Too bad we couldn’t have fleeced Chia before he got the boot. I believe a few of us were talking about this a month or two ago! Maybe someone in the division can hire him and we will get another shot Not sure he returns to NHL as a GM , speculation is he will go back to being a Player Agent..
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Post by madmarx on Jan 23, 2019 16:42:42 GMT -5
Who’s the worst GM in the league now ..
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Post by kjc2 on Jan 23, 2019 21:02:02 GMT -5
Who’s the worst GM in the league now .. I'm going with Pierre Dorion, especially if he loses Stone, Duchene and win's the lottery and hands over Jack Hughes to Colorado.
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Post by orym on Jan 23, 2019 21:15:32 GMT -5
I believe a few of us were talking about this a month or two ago! Maybe someone in the division can hire him and we will get another shot Not sure he returns to NHL as a GM , speculation is he will go back to being a Player Agent.. Yeah I was joking around. I agree. His GM days are likely done. No team in their right mind would hire him after his latest performance in Edmonton.
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Post by fforr on Jan 23, 2019 21:52:25 GMT -5
Seems like things end badly with Chia.
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Post by nfld77 on Jan 24, 2019 0:37:51 GMT -5
Bobby Mac figures 12.5 at least for Matthews 👀 leafs...welcome to blackhawkville. 12.5 million is exactly what I said he would want under one of the posts under "Statistics" I believe..Well I didnt actually say it, it may have been a quote from another site or maybe it was me. I remember the post was about Leafs not being able to resign everyone..I keep saying Tavares was a mistake. Matthews will eventually end up in Arizona..
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Post by nfld77 on Jan 24, 2019 0:42:44 GMT -5
Who’s the worst GM in the league now .. Habs GM Marc Bergevin
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Post by offwego on Jan 24, 2019 6:45:24 GMT -5
Who’s the worst GM in the league now .. Habs GM Marc Bergevin No he's the best and I hope he stays there forever....😁😂
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Post by kjc2 on Jan 24, 2019 9:35:23 GMT -5
leafs...welcome to blackhawkville. 12.5 million is exactly what I said he would want under one of the posts under "Statistics" I believe..Well I didnt actually say it, it may have been a quote from another site or maybe it was me. I remember the post was about Leafs not being able to resign everyone..I keep saying Tavares was a mistake. Matthews will eventually end up in Arizona.. I find it funny that a lot of Canadian media crapped on the Sabres for handing out the 10 x 8 year deal to Eichel but their boy should get 12.5 for eight years. Maybe Matthews has slightly more talent but I lean towards Eichel as having more heart, a lot less of a supporting cast around him and actually leading his team. Matthews to me seems to sulk a bit over ice time and line mates or at least that's the perception. I'm with you NF, maybe they should send him off to Arizona for OEL and drft picks. Also committing to Tavares messes with that team salary wise and pecking order wise, I think it'll turn into a mistake in the big picture of building a contender.
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Post by orym on Jan 24, 2019 11:22:00 GMT -5
12.5 million is exactly what I said he would want under one of the posts under "Statistics" I believe..Well I didnt actually say it, it may have been a quote from another site or maybe it was me. I remember the post was about Leafs not being able to resign everyone..I keep saying Tavares was a mistake. Matthews will eventually end up in Arizona.. I find it funny that a lot of Canadian media crapped on the Sabres for handing out the 10 x 8 year deal to Eichel but their boy should get 12.5 for eight years. Maybe Matthews has slightly more talent but I lean towards Eichel as having more heart, a lot less of a supporting cast around him and actually leading his team. Matthews to me seems to sulk a bit over ice time and line mates or at least that's the perception. I'm with you NF, maybe they should send him off to Arizona for OEL and drft picks. Also committing to Tavares messes with that team salary wise and pecking order wise, I think it'll turn into a mistake in the big picture of building a contender. Last night on TSN (might have been SportsNet...can't remember for sure), they were talking like Matthews might only get a 5 or 6 year deal in an effort to "keep the team together" a little better over the longer term. If I'm Matthews, I'm asking for 8 years and I want basically all of it up front. Just soak the Leafs hard for the cash. They can afford it! I'd love to see Matthews traded. Heads would spin right off Leafs fans/media bodies!
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Post by nfld77 on Jan 24, 2019 14:43:49 GMT -5
I find it funny that a lot of Canadian media crapped on the Sabres for handing out the 10 x 8 year deal to Eichel but their boy should get 12.5 for eight years. Maybe Matthews has slightly more talent but I lean towards Eichel as having more heart, a lot less of a supporting cast around him and actually leading his team. Matthews to me seems to sulk a bit over ice time and line mates or at least that's the perception. I'm with you NF, maybe they should send him off to Arizona for OEL and drft picks. Also committing to Tavares messes with that team salary wise and pecking order wise, I think it'll turn into a mistake in the big picture of building a contender. Last night on TSN (might have been SportsNet...can't remember for sure), they were talking like Matthews might only get a 5 or 6 year deal in an effort to "keep the team together" a little better over the longer term. If I'm Matthews, I'm asking for 8 years and I want basically all of it up front. Just soak the Leafs hard for the cash. They can afford it! I'd love to see Matthews traded. Heads would spin right off Leafs fans/media bodies! Well Ory, eventually someone has to go, no enough salary room to keep all happy. Matthews lets say 12 million, Tavares 11.5 million, Marner{depends on what Matthews get} he'll want in the neighbourhood of 10 million. Nylander 7 million {21 games 1 goal 6 assists, 3 assists last night} Marleau 6 million and so on and on and on.. That's 46.5 million on just 5 players. Anderson, Rielly, Gardiner, Kadri, Kapanen, Hainsey, and so on and on and I'm stopping here!!!!!
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Post by nfld77 on Jan 24, 2019 14:48:03 GMT -5
Last night on TSN (might have been SportsNet...can't remember for sure), they were talking like Matthews might only get a 5 or 6 year deal in an effort to "keep the team together" a little better over the longer term. If I'm Matthews, I'm asking for 8 years and I want basically all of it up front. Just soak the Leafs hard for the cash. They can afford it! I'd love to see Matthews traded. Heads would spin right off Leafs fans/media bodies! Well Ory, eventually someone has to go, no enough salary room to keep all happy. Matthews lets say 12 million, Tavares 11.5 million, Marner{depends on what Matthews get} he'll want in the neighbourhood of 10 million. Nylander 7 million {21 games 1 goal 6 assists, 3 assists last night} Marleau 6 million and so on and on and on.. That's 46.5 million on just 5 players. Anderson, Rielly, Gardiner, Kadri, Kapanen, Hainsey, and so on and on and I'm stopping here!!!!! OH. Did I ever mention I love Canada but Fucking hate the Hockey media, all of them pretty much except one..Bob Mackenzie. He would do wonders for hockey south of the border.. But he wouldn't leave TSN for Rogers for almost double his salary..He's a good decent guy I bet on and off the ice Air..
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Post by skemack on Jan 24, 2019 15:02:01 GMT -5
I find it funny that a lot of Canadian media crapped on the Sabres for handing out the 10 x 8 year deal to Eichel but their boy should get 12.5 for eight years. Maybe Matthews has slightly more talent but I lean towards Eichel as having more heart, a lot less of a supporting cast around him and actually leading his team. Matthews to me seems to sulk a bit over ice time and line mates or at least that's the perception. I'm with you NF, maybe they should send him off to Arizona for OEL and drft picks. Also committing to Tavares messes with that team salary wise and pecking order wise, I think it'll turn into a mistake in the big picture of building a contender. Last night on TSN (might have been SportsNet...can't remember for sure), they were talking like Matthews might only get a 5 or 6 year deal in an effort to "keep the team together" a little better over the longer term. If I'm Matthews, I'm asking for 8 years and I want basically all of it up front. Just soak the Leafs hard for the cash. They can afford it! I'd love to see Matthews traded. Heads would spin right off Leafs fans/media bodies! A 5-6 year deal is actually the smartest thing that Mathews can do. By taking a deal of this length he will be a UFA. Matthews grew up in Arizona and was a diehard Coyotes fan growing up. Once he hits UFA Arizona would go all out to bring Matthews home and I think they will be able to give more then the Leafs at that point. It would be a similar sitation where Tavares went home to Toronto. I have been saying around here for a year now that I believe Matthews will be a Coyote eventually.
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Post by offwego on Jan 24, 2019 18:58:58 GMT -5
Last night on TSN (might have been SportsNet...can't remember for sure), they were talking like Matthews might only get a 5 or 6 year deal in an effort to "keep the team together" a little better over the longer term. If I'm Matthews, I'm asking for 8 years and I want basically all of it up front. Just soak the Leafs hard for the cash. They can afford it! I'd love to see Matthews traded. Heads would spin right off Leafs fans/media bodies! A 5-6 year deal is actually the smartest thing that Mathews can do. By taking a deal of this length he will be a UFA. Matthews grew up in Arizona and was a diehard Coyotes fan growing up. Once he hits UFA Arizona would go all out to bring Matthews home and I think they will be able to give more then the Leafs at that point. It would be a similar sitation where Tavares went home to Toronto. I have been saying around here for a year now that I believe Matthews will be a Coyote eventually. Well some nights he sure dont look happy playing in Toronto... Sour puss wants his skates back. I'm not knocking his ability to find the back of the net. But his 200 foot game is horrible. He reminds me of an early oveckin. Just stands yhere waitimg for the one timer. Disappears for periods of the night. He has passenger written all over him. They want him to be the leader may be he should lead by example. With his talent he has probably been given every thing hes ever wanted amd never learned how to work for it. Jmho But yeah if leaves Toronto fans will go absolutely mindless.
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Post by madmarx on Jan 24, 2019 20:24:21 GMT -5
A 5-6 year deal is actually the smartest thing that Mathews can do. By taking a deal of this length he will be a UFA. Matthews grew up in Arizona and was a diehard Coyotes fan growing up. Once he hits UFA Arizona would go all out to bring Matthews home and I think they will be able to give more then the Leafs at that point. It would be a similar sitation where Tavares went home to Toronto. I have been saying around here for a year now that I believe Matthews will be a Coyote eventually. Well some nights he sure dont look happy playing in Toronto... Sour puss wants his skates back. I'm not knocking his ability to find the back of the net. But his 200 foot game is horrible. He reminds me of an early oveckin. Just stands yhere waitimg for the one timer. Disappears for periods of the night. He has passenger written all over him. They want him to be the leader may be he should lead by example. With his talent he has probably been given every thing hes ever wanted amd never learned how to work for it. Jmho But yeah if leaves Toronto fans will go absolutely mindless. Does he remind you of anyone on the Bruins??
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Post by kjc2 on Jan 25, 2019 5:26:21 GMT -5
Well some nights he sure dont look happy playing in Toronto... Sour puss wants his skates back. I'm not knocking his ability to find the back of the net. But his 200 foot game is horrible. He reminds me of an early oveckin. Just stands yhere waitimg for the one timer. Disappears for periods of the night. He has passenger written all over him. They want him to be the leader may be he should lead by example. With his talent he has probably been given every thing hes ever wanted amd never learned how to work for it. Jmho But yeah if leaves Toronto fans will go absolutely mindless. Does he remind you of anyone on the Bruins?? ??
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Post by madmarx on Jan 25, 2019 6:19:48 GMT -5
Does he remind you of anyone on the Bruins?? ?? Pasta two hundred foot game could use quite a bit of work ..
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Post by KSJ08 on Jan 25, 2019 6:45:35 GMT -5
Pasta two hundred foot game could use quite a bit of work .. Yes Pasta needs to work on his D game BUT he's not a sulker or stand around waiting.
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Post by madmarx on Jan 25, 2019 6:50:22 GMT -5
Pasta two hundred foot game could use quite a bit of work .. Yes Pasta needs to work on his D game BUT he's not a sulker or stand around waiting. Pasta always looks like he is having fun love his personality but his D game drives Me nuts at times.
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Post by Losing my mind on Jan 25, 2019 8:20:22 GMT -5
Yes Pasta needs to work on his D game BUT he's not a sulker or stand around waiting. Pasta always looks like he is having fun love his personality but his D game drives Me nuts at times. At least it looks like he puts the effort in though. I haven't been watching a lot of games recently, but from what I did watch, Pasta was back checking, he likes to fly the zone, which seems to be a new trend in the NHL. From my sports experience, some people just can't figure out defense. I was one of those. If I was the last guy back in soccer, I'd trip the guy so he'd get a free kick, but my team was back in position. I played for a dozen years or so and could never figure out how to play defense.
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Post by kjc2 on Jan 25, 2019 8:39:38 GMT -5
Pasta two hundred foot game could use quite a bit of work .. For sure, I think he's capable but he maybe more focused on his cookies.
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Post by kjc2 on Jan 25, 2019 8:41:37 GMT -5
Yes Pasta needs to work on his D game BUT he's not a sulker or stand around waiting. Pasta always looks like he is having fun love his personality but his D game drives Me nuts at times. He reminds me of Ovechkin, not player wise but personality and pure enjoyment wise.
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Post by SeaBass on Jan 25, 2019 9:05:21 GMT -5
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Post by orym on Jan 25, 2019 10:01:48 GMT -5
Pasta always looks like he is having fun love his personality but his D game drives Me nuts at times. At least it looks like he puts the effort in though. I haven't been watching a lot of games recently, but from what I did watch, Pasta was back checking, he likes to fly the zone, which seems to be a new trend in the NHL. From my sports experience, some people just can't figure out defense. I was one of those. If I was the last guy back in soccer, I'd trip the guy so he'd get a free kick, but my team was back in position. I played for a dozen years or so and could never figure out how to play defense. We all probably could have been good defensemen in the sports we played but we all wanted to go score goals instead
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